Posting rules vs Catholic Christians

[Jim1999]

The Webmaster is not in any way prejudiced against Roman Catholics. This is a Baptist Board and he is aware of the problems we had before with some Roman Catholics in their presentation. He is taking preventive measures.

I switched from Baptist to Anglican, a holy catholic church, and have not been banned. I do respect the Board and refrain from any adverse criticisms toward Baptists, or to any group for that matter. This is how discussions should follow. Address the issues and not the people. Now and again, we sometimes slip up, but it should not be our norm.

I guess the difference in my case is that I was upfront instantly about my change and continued to respect the Board's rights as a private forum of communication.

Cheers, and let us all enjoy the discourses in peace,

Jim

 

[riverm]

Originally posted by Jim1999:

I switched from Baptist to Anglican, a holy catholic church, and have not been banned. I do respect the Board and refrain from any adverse criticisms toward Baptists, or to any group for that matter.

I’ve been told from a source undercover in the ranks of the BB admin, that has since moved on, that I shall name (Deep Throat), is that those that were here on or before 2002, were allowed to stay or “grandfathered” in. Those Catholics that signed up afterwards are immediately banned when discovered no questions asked.

 

[jesusrocks]

What about Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc. Christians?

Are they disallowed as well (most of their teachings, except the papacy obviously) are very similar?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by riverm:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jim1999:

I switched from Baptist to Anglican, a holy catholic church, and have not been banned. I do respect the Board and refrain from any adverse criticisms toward Baptists, or to any group for that matter.

I’ve been told from a source undercover in the ranks of the BB admin, that has since moved on, that I shall name (Deep Throat), is that those that were here on or before 2002, were allowed to stay or “grandfathered” in. Those Catholics that signed up afterwards are immediately banned when discovered no questions asked. </font>[/QUOTE]Here we go again - no matter how often you repeat it PMR was banned for lying on his application. If has not lied he would never have had to worry about being banned. He never would have been let is.

As I mentioned before, if one diagrees with a board's policy he does have a viable option.

 

[riverm]

Originally posted by C4K:
As I mentioned before, if one diagrees with a board's policy he does have a viable option.

How C4K can one be in a violation of the board’s policy, when the policy says nothing about being Catholic and being allowed to post?

 

[Charles Meadows]

PMR came back twice under different names. That's a little less than honest. I would guess that is why he was banned.

One should ask the question: Why would a catholic want to come and post here?

It seems to me there would be two reasons - one would be to look for genuine interdenominational dialogue in the ecumenical spirit; the other would be to argue and proselytize.

I think Webmaster is quite justified in refusing to allow the latter. And I would have to say that administartion has been pretty fair, banning only those who have shown less than the best motives (as far as I have seen).

I would also wager that a catholic individual who came here with proper motives might well be given a "chance" if he/she asked.

 

[riverm]

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
PMR came back twice under different names. That's a little less than honest. I would guess that is why he was banned.

I agree, but no one can be certain that PMR came back under a different moniker, but that’s not what’s being discussed here. We are discussing PMR’s account.

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
One should ask the question: Why would a catholic want to come and post here?

PMR explained his reasons on the tread he started titled: “Catholic Questions…” Why would a CoC or SDA or a Oneness want to come here and post? It could be to explain and defend his or her faith, because of the prejudice that abounds with any faith other than the Baptist faith. I know, I have been taught in a Baptist church, since I was a kid that ALL Catholics are Hell bound, that the CoC are in grave error or that the SDA’s are a cult…

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
It seems to me there would be two reasons - one would be to look for genuine interdenominational dialogue in the ecumenical spirit; the other would be to argue and proselytize.

Agreed again, but in your opinion, did PMR argue or proselytize?

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
I think Webmaster is quite justified in refusing to allow the latter. And I would have to say that administartion has been pretty fair, banning only those who have shown less than the best motives (as far as I have seen).

I don’t call banning PMR, simply because he was Catholic very fair Charles.

Originally posted by Charles Meadows:
I would also wager that a catholic individual who came here with proper motives might well be given a "chance" if he/she asked.

PMR, did come to the BB with proper motives as he stated in his opening thread, titled: “Catholic Questions…” PMR was never given the chance, for he was banned.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

First riverm you continue with your false statement that PMR was banned for being a Catholic - that is not true, he was banned for lying and subterfuge on his application.

It is true that Catholics are not permitted to join, no one is denying that. This member lied to bypass that rule, then changed his profile to reflect the truth. This is why he was banned. As soon as he adjusted his profile he began posting as a Catholic.

The Webmaster had made exceptions from time to time, allowing those who express a genuine spirit of inquiry to join. PMR did not choose to contact the Webmaster, he simply lied to get on, then joined with three other names after he was banned. He admitted to doing so twice publicly.

Those who disagree with the action of the administration might be better off posting elsewhere instead of using the Webmaster bandwidth, which he has paid for, to attack him.

 

[riverm]

OK, I think I’m getting this. The theory is that PMR “knew” that Catholics were not allowed to participate (which is odd, b/c half the members here were not aware that Catholics were not allowed on the BB), so PMR lied to get approved (even though the agreement that’s signed says nothing about being Catholic) and then PMR changed his profile and then posted as a Catholic, knowing that Catholics were not allowed to participate.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

It appears that you have it figured out!

 

[Pastor_Bob]

Originally posted by riverm:
Pastor Bob

Who does the banning, Moderators, Administrators or the Webmaster himself?

The Webmaster has the final say in all matters that pertain to this board. After all, he owns it and bears the financial load. It should be his decision. Knowing that, I support his right to do as he pleases. Thus far, he has been gracious to listen to dissenting views, but still, the decision is his.

Specifically, only Administrators and the Webmaster himself have the ability to actually ban a member. There are certain infractions that merit banning without notice. Deception on the registration information would be one of them.

Joining under a new profile after a suspension or banning is also cause for immediate banning without notice. We have concrete evidence that PeterMeansRock did this several times. However, that is not the issue.

 

[JamieinNH]

Originally posted by riverm:
To whom it may concern. This is PeterMeansRock. I've emailed this to Tommy to post for me in my defense. Do not ban him for doing so.

This should have been emailed to the owner/webmaster and not posted to the board.

If a user has been banned, then they shouldn't use other users to "get their point across anyway.."

Jamie

 

[BobRyan]

Even so - it is easy to see PeterMeansRock POV now.

(Or maybe I "should have said" it "WAS" easy to see PMR's POV while that post existed)

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Frogman]

INMHO, reading that post makes it easy to see PMR's sole purpose in coming here was to foster deceit. Not to seek or to propagate any truth.

Having been banned the first time maybe an error, the second, the third, when do we call deceit what it is?

Even deceit practiced by a child of God is no less deceit.

Bro. Dallas

 

[Matt Black]

I suspected there was more to it than initially met the eye - particularly in view of what Roger said to me on the other thread - namely that there was at the very least a bit of sockpuppetry going on.

 

[riverm]

Bro. Dallas

That’s the issue Frogman, PMR thought there was an error, or server issue as to why his first profile didn’t go through. Since there’s NO rule against Catholics posting in the agreement here on BB and the FACT that the Webmaster should have informed PMR of the “unwritten” rule against Catholics, PMR tried again and was APPROVED. PMR started a thread titled “Catholic Questions…” and was upfront about him being Catholic, so he was not lurking, he was HONEST.

Then he was banned, frustrated just as any red blooded American as to WHY he was being banned, b/c NO explanation was ever sent to him. He e-mailed the Webmaster numerous times, but no response, so he signed up again, to find out why.

I’m not defending his other attempts, but certainly, I don’t blame him. I’m personally frustrated with how BB, handled this situation and the fact that there’s an “unwritten” rule that all Catholics are not welcomed here.

It’s even more frustrating in the fact that there are other denominations that are in direct conflict with the Baptists and yet they are still allowed to sign-up and participate, yet the Catholics are not. That Frogman, like it or not, looks a lot like prejudice. And I’m sorry for saying that, but I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Might I suggest riverm that you finance and operate a board which would be more to your liking?

I am sorry for saying that, but I too call 'em like I see 'em.

 

[riverm]

C4K, I have gotten PM’s and e-mails from active members and even some that are inactive and all have been in support of PMR and how unfairly he was treated, for simply being a Catholic. I’ll probably get banned here soon, but at least the prejudice towards one denomination has been exposed.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Perhaps these folks would be a good basis for your new board?

You still lie about his banning riverm despite being told over and over again that he was banned for lying.

I am grateful for the many, many satisfied cusmtomers and even more grateful to the Webmaster for providing such a wonderful board. I am proud to be a part of it and honoured to be a moderator on it.

 

[riverm]

Originally posted by C4K:
You still lie about his banning riverm despite being told over and over again that he was banned for lying.

How was PMR banned for lying? On the first application he stated he was “Roman Catholic” and was denied, no explanation. He honestly thought there was a problem either on his end or the server on the BB end. BECAUSE C4K, there is NO official statement that explicitly states that Catholics are not welcomed. PMR didn’t know, nor was he ever told…YOU guys dropped the ball here.

Thinking there was a problem or error of some sort; he resubmitted his application and stated “Catholic”. He was thus approved and then banned.

Are you saying he lied b/c PMR went from “Roman Catholic” to “Catholic” and that justified him being banned?

If so, that’s a sad excuse and really proves the obvious…