pray obama fails?

[JustChristian]

You folks just dont seem to be getting it. We look at Hitler in retrospect. In 1939 even Neville Chamberlain though he was a square guy. Probably prayed for his success. Read very carefully the platform that Obama ran on and tell me if you still want him to be successful.

Just wait until the truth about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz comes out.

 

[JustChristian]

I posted the link above in my post. It was from an interview with the then religion reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper back in 2004 before he won the senate seat (but had gotten the nomination for his party). It is well documented.

Of course you know that George Bush said the same thing twice. Right?

 

[gb93433]

I expect to hear a lot of things today from people because of poor preaching and teaching, and a serious lack of disciplemaking.

The pastors who are not making disciples are deluded. We have lots of gurus who help them to feel good in denominations and conventions when they are also not making disciples by misleading them into thinking that making disciples is just teaching another Bible study or preaching to them on a Wednesday night, etc. while the people boost his false understanding by coming and listening week after week thereby increasing the nickels and noses numbers.

James 1:22, "But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves."

 

[Alcott]

Where did anyone say that God forced it?

For one, Martin in post #84:

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.


==Of course we should and I do (Dan 2:21). It is too easy to forget that so thanks for reminding me (us).

 

[annsni]

Of course you know that George Bush said the same thing twice. Right?

So?

and to fill in enough characters....

 

[rbell]

Just wait until the truth about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz comes out.

Thanks for making a non-Bush thread about Bush. Again.

Hey...I noticed there's not a George Bush post of yours in the "recipes" thread. Perhaps you could take care of that.

 

[annsni]

For one, Martin in post #84:

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.


==Of course we should and I do (Dan 2:21). It is too easy to forget that so thanks for reminding me (us).

Where does it say He forces it? I don't see it.

However, Daniel 2:21 says "He removes kings and sets up kings" That is revealing.

 

[Alcott]

If He does it and we have no control over it, that's forcing it. Do we have control over who gets into office or do we not?

 

[Marcia]

Just wait until the truth about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz comes out.

What truth?

Anyway, I could not care less. I have no human heroes except for one theologian I really like and respect.

And I am not Republican. I think you are assuming that everyone who is posting against abortion is Republican. I am not Democrat either. :tongue3:

 

[blackbird]

What truth?

And I am not Republican. I am not Democrat either. :tongue3:

Well, Marcia-----that just narrows the political field down just a little bit!!!:laugh: :laugh: :saint:

Seriously------I pray everyday that when President Obama steps into the Oval Office-------that the "Finger" of God will have scribed a new message for him on the Oval Office walls just like He did to Danial's "President" centuries ago---maybe an "order for the day"---some sort of "marching" order---some sort of warning, maybe! Mercy---he's gonna need a word of encouragement from the Lord's infallable word before too, too long, don't you guys reckon???

A little bit of Heavenly "graffiti" on the walls for the President to see---in a spiritual sort of way, of course!!! I hope the BB readers understand what I'm saying!!!

 

[pinoybaptist]

Been away for a while on this board, and this thread has run a few robust pages, but I can see that we all are still as corny as ever.
I will not pray for Barack Obama. He is what and who he is, and only the power and grace of God, which God alone disposes to whom He will and when He will, can change this man's views.
I will not pray for Barack Obama so that if God, in His wisdom and sovereignty, makes Obama a "bell sheep", then the glory is God's and I will not have the false humility of kneeling down and praying some sort of thanksgiving prayer that God opened Obama's heart and changed his worldview somehow because of a little prayer that some Christians including myself prayed.
I will not pray for Barack Obama because God knows what He wants, God knows where He is going, and God is not going to work so that Americans and America can be accepted into the world community once more and loved again.
Such pettiness.
God is working for His own glory, not for any nation's or any president's well-being. In His own due time He will establish His new world and new heavens and will take His people unto Himself that He and they may be togethere for all eternity future.
I will pray for that.

I will support Barack Obama because he is the president of the American people, although I did not vote for him, and on his re-election will not vote for him.
I will defend Barack Obama's personal integrity wherever I am because he is my president whether or not I like it, and anyone who utters insulting words against him, whether a Filipino like myself, or a Martian, is insulting me, my American neighbors, and the country that adopted me.
I have enough faith in the systems of checks and balances in this government to believe that if Mr. Obama ever turns away from this country's republican ideals then the system of checks and balances will go to work and arrest that tide.

 

[annsni]

Been away for a while on this board, and this thread has run a few robust pages, but I can see that we all are still as corny as ever.
I will not pray for Barack Obama. He is what and who he is, and only the power and grace of God, which God alone disposes to whom He will and when He will, can change this man's views.
I will not pray for Barack Obama so that if God, in His wisdom and sovereignty, makes Obama a "bell sheep", then the glory is God's and I will not have the false humility of kneeling down and praying some sort of thanksgiving prayer that God opened Obama's heart and changed his worldview somehow because of a little prayer that some Christians including myself prayed.
I will not pray for Barack Obama because God knows what He wants, God knows where He is going, and God is not going to work so that Americans and America can be accepted into the world community once more and loved again.
Such pettiness.
God is working for His own glory, not for any nation's or any president's well-being. In His own due time He will establish His new world and new heavens and will take His people unto Himself that He and they may be togethere for all eternity future.
I will pray for that.

I will support Barack Obama because he is the president of the American people, although I did not vote for him, and on his re-election will not vote for him.
I will defend Barack Obama's personal integrity wherever I am because he is my president whether or not I like it, and anyone who utters insulting words against him, whether a Filipino like myself, or a Martian, is insulting me, my American neighbors, and the country that adopted me.
I have enough faith in the systems of checks and balances in this government to believe that if Mr. Obama ever turns away from this country's republican ideals then the system of checks and balances will go to work and arrest that tide.

But if you will not pray for the President of the US, then you are disobeying God's clear command in Scripture. Why?

 

[rbell]

I will not pray for Barack Obama.

Then you, sir, are in direct violation of a Scriptural admonition.

Sorry.

 

[Alcott]

"Where does it say He forces it? I don't see it."

If He does it and we have no control over it, that's forcing it. Do we have control over who gets into office or do we not?

 

[pinoybaptist]

But if you will not pray for the President of the US, then you are disobeying God's clear command in Scripture. Why?

I will pray for the rulers. Not single one out for special mention.

1 Timothy 2:8 says:

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Wherein is the purpose of prayer for those in authority ? That believers to whom Paul wrote the letter be granted by God, not by the kings, to lead a quiet and peaceable life.....

I will pray for the rulers, because Obama alone does not rule this country. The past administration departed the White House unpopular because of the many blunders its chief administrator made, which primarily came about as he followed erroneous advice from the people that surrounded him.

The country's financial situation is what it is because the rulers of this country at the time failed to come up with wise decisions and learn to spot the signs of the times. They lacked wisdom. Bush alone did not cause this problem, and Obama alone will not face this problem, he needs advice from those who, along with him, rules.

So I will not pray for Barack Obama.
I will pray for all the rulers, and let God take care of what He will do and whom He will speak to because if God acts, it will be for His glory among His people.

 

[webdog]

I will pray for the rulers. Not single one out for special mention.

1 Timothy 2:8 says:

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Wherein is the purpose of prayer for those in authority ? That believers to whom Paul wrote the letter be granted by God, not by the kings, to lead a quiet and peaceable life.....

I will pray for the rulers, because Obama alone does not rule this country. The past administration departed the White House unpopular because of the many blunders its chief administrator made, which primarily came about as he followed erroneous advice from the people that surrounded him.

The country's financial situation is what it is because the rulers of this country at the time failed to come up with wise decisions and learn to spot the signs of the times. They lacked wisdom. Bush alone did not cause this problem, and Obama alone will not face this problem, he needs advice from those who, along with him, rules.

So I will not pray for Barack Obama.
I will pray for all the rulers, and let God take care of what He will do and whom He will speak to because if God acts, it will be for His glory among His people.

...um...did you miss all men?

 

[JustChristian]

So?

and to fill in enough characters....

I presume you're saying that your previous statement has no meaning for Obama just as in your eyes it had no meaning when applied to Bush. Correct? Then why post it?

 

[annsni]

I presume you're saying that your previous statement has no meaning for Obama just as in your eyes it had no meaning when applied to Bush. Correct? Then why post it?

No - I mean we're speaking of President Obama - not President Bush. If President Bush feels that there are many roads to heaven, then he's not saved. He doesn't understand sin or salvation - and thus doesn't know the Gospel. The same applies for every man and woman on this earth.

 

[JustChristian]

No - I mean we're speaking of President Obama - not President Bush. If President Bush feels that there are many roads to heaven, then he's not saved. He doesn't understand sin or salvation - and thus doesn't know the Gospel. The same applies for every man and woman on this earth.

Did you vote for Bush even though in your view he was not saved?

 

[annsni]

Did you vote for Bush even though in your view he was not saved?

Yes. I'd rather have a man in the White House who's not saved who believes the same as I do than have a man in the White House who claims to be a major Christian yet votes against what I stand for. I'd take a Mormon in the office over Obama any day. They'd most likely vote more closely to what I would vote for than a liberal Democrat.