pray obama fails?

[LeBuick]

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.

You got it Brother...

If my candidate wins then he is a prayer answering God.

If my candidate looses then he is passing judgment on the nation and you can't blame me...

No two ways about it... :thumbsup:

 

[TCGreek]

You got it Brother...

If my candidate wins then he is a prayer answering God.

If my candidate looses then he is passing judgment on the nation and you can't blame me...

No two ways about it... :thumbsup:

Brother, I believe many of us have put God in our little boxes of who we think God is.

There's a holy wild to God that we need to respect.

 

[Martin]

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.

==Of course we should and I do (Dan 2:21). It is too easy to forget that so thanks for reminding me (us).

If my candidate wins then he is a prayer answering God. If my candidate looses then he is passing judgment on the nation and you can't blame me...

==Though I did not vote for Mr. Obama, and though I strongly disagree with him on some issue, I pray that he is a good president.

 

[TCGreek]

==Though I did not vote for Mr. Obama, and though I strongly disagree with him on some issue, I pray that he is a good president.

Martin, I'm with you.

 

[JustChristian]

Um, did anyone forget I Tim 2?

I didn't say I agree with praying for him according to his policies, but we as Christians are commanded to pray for those in authority.

As Commander in Cheif, he is our military commander/ authority, I am to pray for him. As his being a propigator of immoral beliefs and having socialist political views, I will not pray FOR him but in that he gets SAVED!:thumbsup:

Pray for him to fail? Politically, yes. Spiritually? No! If he gets saved his political and moral views WILL change.

Praying against Obama politically is praying that America will fall into a depression. Do you really want that to happen?

 

[gb93433]

If it were authentic, he would not state there are other ways besides Christ to "The Almighty".

Could you give us the primary source of that information?

 

[annsni]

Could you give us the primary source of that information?

I posted the link above in my post. It was from an interview with the then religion reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper back in 2004 before he won the senate seat (but had gotten the nomination for his party). It is well documented.

 

[Alcott]

==Of course we should and I do (Dan 2:21). It is too easy to forget that so thanks for reminding me (us).

Then is anyone who runs against him in '12 running against God? Or does God really let the voters decide who will be in office and claim responsibility?

 

[Martin]

Then is anyone who runs against him in '12 running against God? Or does God really let the voters decide who will be in office and claim responsibility?

==No place in Scripture are we told to sit by and do nothing. Different people will run for office and God's will will be done. The person God has chosen to place in that office at that time will be placed there (Dan 2:21). God is sovereign, He is in total control. That is why we can trust Bible prophecy. God not only knows what is going to happen, He is in control of what happens. That means everything that occurs on this planet is either caused by God or allowed by God. And everything God causes or allows is caused or allowed for a reason. Mark my words, George W Bush was President of the United States from 2001 until 2009 for a reason and Barak Obama will be President of the United States from 2009 until 2013 or 2017 for a reason. We may not yet know the reason, but God does. In that I take comfort, regardless who the President is.

 

[gb93433]

I posted the link above in my post. It was from an interview with the then religion reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper back in 2004 before he won the senate seat (but had gotten the nomination for his party). It is well documented.

Thanks. What I read reminds me of what many in Baptists churches believe and struggle with because of their lack of knowledge and growth. Most in the church today are not discipled but rather preached to and taught to but never taught to personally follow Christ. They are told the way but not shown the way. No parent in their right mind would ever do such a foolish thing to their children.

 

[Alcott]

Mark my words, George W Bush was President of the United States from 2001 until 2009 for a reason and Barak Obama will be President of the United States from 2009 until 2013 or 2017 for a reason.

And if he gets bumped off, that will be God's will. Correct?

 

[gb93433]

The OP would certainly indicate that the person would never help Obama to be successful and then if he did fail the person would chalk it up to God. If Obama did become a success who could take the blame for that?

 

[Marcia]

Now is NOT the time for us to focus once again on party rhetoric. Now is the time for us to come together as Americans to turn the tide for our country.

Turn the tide toward what???

 

[Marcia]

Brother, I believe many of us have put God in our little boxes of who we think God is.

There's a holy wild to God that we need to respect.

I would not put it this way - is this an idea from that guy who likes to beat drums in the woods like the New Agers?

God is not wild; Jesus is not wild. Wildness connotes being uncivilized, out of control, and primitive. God is strong and mighty but not wild. I think being wild is part of the fallen nature.

 

[Marcia]

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.

This I do agree with.

So I will pray for Pres. Obama as we are told to do in Scripture. However, I will also pray that he will not be allowed to further evil agendas, such as abortion or same sex unions.

 

[TCGreek]

I would not put it this way - is this an idea from that guy who likes to beat drums in the woods like the New Agers?

God is not wild; Jesus is not wild. Wildness connotes being uncivilized, out of control, and primitive. God is strong and mighty but not wild. I think being wild is part of the fallen nature.

Marcia, "wild" has a metaphoric meaning of not being domesticated.

Are human beings able to control?

There's a Holy Wild to God.

 

[blackbird]

I would not put it this way - is this an idea from that guy who likes to beat drums in the woods like the New Agers?

God is not wild; Jesus is not wild. Wildness connotes being uncivilized, out of control, and primitive. God is strong and mighty but not wild. I think being wild is part of the fallen nature.

I'm with Marcia here----President Obama isn't the most brilliant person who could have run for President---whether Demo or Rep or Indep---nevertheless--he's in for 4 and maybe 4 more----for a picture of true political brilliance---study Condy Rice!!!

I feel though---he's in the White House with "Oprah" doctrine riding his wake and Oprah theology is with him in his waking and sleeping hours----and perhaps the devil will attempt to "sift him as wheat"

Hense is where you and I as true born again believers step in---to pray that "hedge" of protection around him--both physically and spiritually---and to pray that the Holy Spirit will bring conviction to his soul on those issues that press him everyday.---Jesus said Himself that the Holy Spirit's job is to "convict the world of sin"-----may He write on the walls of the Oval Office---just like He did back centuries ago in another dude's office!!!

Bro. David

 

[Revmitchell]

Marcia, "wild" has a metaphoric meaning of not being domesticated.

Are human beings able to control?

There's a Holy Wild to God.

Calling God "wild" does not become right, just, or respectful just because you add the word "Holy" to it.

 

[annsni]

Here's what Ligon Duncan has to say about praying for our new president:

Many Christians find themselves profoundly conflicted because of some of the moral positions and social policies that Mr. Obama espouses. So how do you pray for your President when you disagree with him?

Thankfully, the Bible is not silent about such a question. After all it commands us to pray for all in authority (1 Timothy 2:2), no matter their party, policies or religion (or lack thereof). It is vital that we think Christianly, which is to say, biblically, about this issue (and not just as Democrats or Republicans who happen to be Christian). So, back to the question. How do we pray for Mr. Obama? Here are some ideas (and I want to thank Al Mohler and Justin Taylor for many of these thoughts and words) for praying for our new President, Barack Obama.

First, it needs to be said, that we ought to commit ourselves to pray for our new President, for his wife and family, for his administration, and for the nation. We will do this, not only because of the biblical command to pray for our rulers, but because of the second greatest commandment "Love your neighbor" and what better way to love your neighbor, than to pray for his well-being. Those with the greatest moral and political differences with the President ought to ask God to engender in them, by His Spirit, genuine neighbor-love for Mr. Obama.

We will also pray for our new President because he (and we) face challenges that are not only daunting but potentially disastrous. We will pray that God will grant him wisdom. He and his family will face new challenges and the pressures of this office. May God protect them, give them joy in their family life, and hold them close together.

We will pray that God will protect this nation even as our new President settles into his role as Commander in Chief, and that God will grant peace as he leads the nation through times of trial and international conflict and tension.

We will pray that God would change President Obama's mind and heart on issues of crucial moral concern. May God change his heart and open his eyes to see abortion as the murder of the innocent unborn, to see marriage as an institution to be defended, and to see a host of issues in a new light. We must pray this from this day until the day he leaves office. God is sovereign, after all.

For those Christians who are more concerned than overjoyed about the prospects of an Obama presidency, there should be a remembrance that as our President, Barack Obama will have God-given authority to govern us, and that we should view him as a servant of God (Rom. 13:1, 4) to whom we should be subject (Rom. 13:1, 5; 1 Pet. 2:13-14). Thus, again, we are to pray for Barack Obama (1 Tim. 2:1-2). We are to thank God for Barack Obama (1 Tim. 2:1-2). We are to respect Barack Obama (Rom. 13:7). We are to honor Barack Obama (Rom. 13:7; 1 Pet. 2:17).

For those Christians who are more overjoyed than concerned about the prospects of an Obama presidency, there should be a remembrance of our ultimate allegiance: Jesus is Lord (and thus, He, not we, decides what is right and wrong), we serve God not man, and the Lord himself has promised to establish "the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him" (Malachi 3:18). Thus, where our new president opposes or undermines biblical moral standards in our society, fails to uphold justice for the unborn, undermines religious liberties or condones an ethos that is hostile to the Gospel, we will pray for God's purposes to triumph over our President's plans and policies.

Without doubt and whatever our particular views may be, we face hard days ahead. Realistically, we must all expect to be frustrated and disappointed. Some now may feel defeated and discouraged. While others may all-too-soon find their audacious hopes unfounded and unrealized. We must all keep ever in mind that it is God who raises up leaders and nations, and it is God who pulls them down, and who judges both nations and rulers. We must not act or think like unbelievers, or as those who do not trust God.

So, now, Christian. Let’s get to work. And pray.

You can read the entire thing at http://fpcj.blogspot.com/2009/01/pastors-perspective_20.html

 

[Martin]

And if he gets bumped off, that will be God's will. Correct?

==I'm not sure what you mean by that. My statement is based on Scripture and therefore stands without need of further comment. If you believe history is out of God's control then you are unorthodox in your beliefs.