pray obama fails?

[Bro. Curtis]

I agree. I am not necessarily a Warren fan or detractor, but if we can talk about 'nailing' a prayer he did it

It was a great prayer. It must be hard to pray in front of 2 million people and keep the Lord first & foremost.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I will not pray that President Obama succeeds or that he will fail. I pray that God's will be done.

Excellent !!!!!:thumbs:

 

[donnA]

Praying for Barack, Michelle, Malia and Sasha.. What an awesome day for them...

What an awesome day for the US.

I don't like his policies.. but he is my president. and will actively pray for him.

I pray that he will allow God to lead him.

A good statement Tim.
If a person is an american, and not unamerican, the standing president is their president, whether or not they agree with him. To say, as we've seen here many time by Bush haters, that the standing presindt is not your president is unamerican, and ungodly, for whatever purpose God places leaders in their leadership rolls.

 

[EdSutton]

What think ye?

I pray the President Barack Hussein Obama has the greatest success in his role as President.

Just as I also would pray that a great deal of what I believe to be his agenda never gets implemented.

Incidentally, if Congress fulfills it's role and the President fulfills his role, as defined by the Constitution, we don't even have to question this, or even have this conversation now, do we?

How many here voted for or against the President solely because they believed he would be a good Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief, and his 'vision' or that of any opponent had absolutely nothing to do with why you voted for (or against) him?

In fact, how many voted for any candidate here, looking for a great Gerald Ford or even a Calvin Coolidge 'do-alike' - someone who "looked" Presidential, but correctly expected Congress to "determine the direction of the country" (no matter how idiotic you or I may feel this direction to be), after his recommendations, and who would veto legislation only when he believed that it was not good legislation for the country, although it was not his job to best determine this direction, as the Congress did this. Anyone? Why do I not think so?

How many here would vote for an individual who ran on that platform, saying it was not his or her job to "take the United States down any given path"? Again, anyone? No more than maybe a half-dozen??

Somehow, I didn't think so.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

How much praying did Jesus do for Herod before, and after, calling him a [offensive word edited]-fox?

I checked 20 English versions of the Bible. I could find no adjectives - "[offensive word edited]" or otherwise, as modifiers of "fox" in any of the texts. (I also checked three Greek texts, FTR.) If you have one, you may PM me with the version, since the Moderators were clearly annoyed, as am I, as to the situation brought on the your 'edited' word, without any substance given to support it. Incidentally, I did not read the actual word, but it is irrelevant.

FTR, I do not particularly care how anyone feels about President Obama, here for this post. I do care a great deal about the misrepresenting of something Scripture says!

Ed

 

[preachinjesus]

I've been in deep conversation with several dear friends who are unchurched and have had bad interactions with evangelicals. Often I find myself mystified by their comments and think it difficult to understand their objections. Then I hear arrogant and condescending comments like some in this thread and it hits home how fast we (myself included) evangelicals can, and have, pushed many away from Christ by our actions and words.

Makes me sad.

 

[Martin]

I do not particularly care how anyone feels about President Obama, here for this post. I do care a great deal about the misrepresenting of something Scripture says!

==I believe the people of this nation should respect our nation, our President, and our laws. However that is secondary to the Word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. When I read what Alcott claimed our Lord had said I was greatly disturbed because it does not reflect what the Word of God actually says (i.e....what Jesus actually said). People should not add words, mainly those kind of words, to Scripture.

PeterM helped in correcting the error when he wrote:
"To translate the word "_____-Fox" is a poor rendering at best. The word appears to be feminine at its root. Therefore Jesus is not adding the feminine to be derrogatory. Actually, in some older renderings it seems that the word was translated "Jackel"."

I would add that the phrase "the fox" was used in Jewish writings of the day to talk about a person who was sneaky. Our Lord is using the term in that way. Herod was crafty, sneaky, and seeking to kill the Lord. That is why Jesus responded the way He did.

 

[OldRegular]

You didnt answer my question. I am not surprised. Look at Obamas platform and then tell me if you want him to succeed.

I agree with you Ps104_33. I cannot pray for O'bama to succeed; if he succeeds in what he has proposed then we will become a Socialist country, more immoral than we are now, with the democrats as little dictators.

I will pray for our country and that God will with hold His wrath from us for the murder of 50 million unborn children, for accepting homosexual perversion as an acceptable alternate lifestyle, and for our open immorality even among professing Christians.

People forget that if the founders of this country had interpreted Scripture as they say this country which God has truly blessed would be an illegitimate country.

 

[Salamander]

I believe you are nuts! Others on here might put it more eloquently then I but your writing shows your ignorance of the Word of God. Explain ISam.26:9. I didn't vote for BO but it is our command by God to pray fo him.

:laugh: I didn't either, I took a bath!

 

[Salamander]

Um, did anyone forget I Tim 2?

I didn't say I agree with praying for him according to his policies, but we as Christians are commanded to pray for those in authority.

As Commander in Cheif, he is our military commander/ authority, I am to pray for him. As his being a propigator of immoral beliefs and having socialist political views, I will not pray FOR him but in that he gets SAVED!:thumbsup:

Pray for him to fail? Politically, yes. Spiritually? No! If he gets saved his political and moral views WILL change.

 

[preachinjesus]

Um, did anyone forget I Tim 2?

I had quoted this earlier...I'm still awaiting a cogent reply from the dissenters why we shouldn't pray like this and how they can pray for his failure biblically.

As his being a propigator of immoral beliefs and having socialist political views, I will not pray FOR him but in that he gets SAVED!...If he gets saved his political and moral views WILL change.

I actually believe President Obama is a Christian. He confesses Christ and if it is good enough for the New Testament writers its good enough for me. How can we judge a man's salvation from such a far place? I don't know. Maybe your a better Christian than me.

 

[Salamander]

I had quoted this earlier...I'm still awaiting a cogent reply from the dissenters why we shouldn't pray like this and how they can pray for his failure biblically.



I actually believe President Obama is a Christian. He confesses Christ and if it is good enough for the New Testament writers its good enough for me. How can we judge a man's salvation from such a far place? I don't know. Maybe your a better Christian than me.

When I became a Christian I rebuked anything unpatriotic concerning America.

I cannot sense any real evidence of his salvation by anything I have been allowed to know about him.

Not everyone who names Christ is a Christian.

me better? Not.

 

[annsni]

I had quoted this earlier...I'm still awaiting a cogent reply from the dissenters why we shouldn't pray like this and how they can pray for his failure biblically.



I actually believe President Obama is a Christian. He confesses Christ and if it is good enough for the New Testament writers its good enough for me. How can we judge a man's salvation from such a far place? I don't know. Maybe your a better Christian than me.

I do not believe that he's a Christian since he feels that there are ways to get to heaven other than Jesus. If that is true, then he truly doesn't know Jesus. Read his interview with the Chicago Sun and tell me if he's a Christian.

 

[Revmitchell]

I do not believe that he's a Christian since he feels that there are ways to get to heaven other than Jesus. If that is true, then he truly doesn't know Jesus. Read his interview with the Chicago Sun and tell me if he's a Christian.

Oh no now we have facts. Don't do that.

 

[preachinjesus]

When I became a Christian I rebuked anything unpatriotic concerning America.

Wow, I would never link patriotism with Christianity. That is awfully dangerous. The worse thing Christianity has ever seen has been the rise of nationalism in the Church. It has cause amazing amounts of pain and suffering.

I cannot sense any real evidence of his salvation by anything I have been allowed to know about him.

How can we judge at this distance? Who are we to judge at any distance? Are there really Christians who will sit in a small house across the country and judge a person's salvation on a few tid bits of policy and public life without ever being able to see that same person's personal life? Really?

Not everyone who names Christ is a Christian.

This cuts both ways btw.

 

[gb93433]

It would be folly to pray for his success in such an evil campaign.
I want Obama to fail because his agenda is 100 percent at odds with God's.

Do you mean like Caesar Augustus and Pax Romana? Am I to assume that you do not pay taxes too because you do not agree with everything?

 

[preachinjesus]

I do not believe that he's a Christian since he feels that there are ways to get to heaven other than Jesus. If that is true, then he truly doesn't know Jesus. Read his interview with the Chicago Sun and tell me if he's a Christian.

Again, who are we to judge a man (particularly one so ensconched behind a media firewall) and his salvation? Seems contrary to Scripture.

As for the belief that there are more ways to heaven, I don't see that as a NT qualification of salvation. Show me where it discredits someone's salvation in the NT and I'll reconsider but this isn't a salvation denying belief imho.

Have you read Letters from my Father or The Audicity of Hope and read his retelling of his salvation experience? I strongly encourage you to do so. It is very meaningful and authentic in my opinion.

 

[webdog]

Again, who are we to judge a man (particularly one so ensconched behind a media firewall) and his salvation? Seems contrary to Scripture.

As for the belief that there are more ways to heaven, I don't see that as a NT qualification of salvation. Show me where it discredits someone's salvation in the NT and I'll reconsider but this isn't a salvation denying belief imho.

Have you read Letters from my Father or The Audicity of Hope and read his retelling of his salvation experience? I strongly encourage you to do so. It is very meaningful and authentic in my opinion.

If it were authentic, he would not state there are other ways besides Christ to "The Almighty".

 

[annsni]

Again, who are we to judge a man (particularly one so ensconched behind a media firewall) and his salvation? Seems contrary to Scripture.

As for the belief that there are more ways to heaven, I don't see that as a NT qualification of salvation. Show me where it discredits someone's salvation in the NT and I'll reconsider but this isn't a salvation denying belief imho.

Have you read Letters from my Father or The Audicity of Hope and read his retelling of his salvation experience? I strongly encourage you to do so. It is very meaningful and authentic in my opinion.

I will let Barak Obama answer your questions himself:

So, I’m rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there’s an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived.

GG:
Who’s Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)


OBAMA:
Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

GG:
The conversation stopper, when you say you’re a Christian and leave it at that.

OBAMA:
Where do you move forward with that?

This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell.


GG
You don’t believe that?

OBAMA:
I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.
I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.
That’s just not part of my religious makeup.

Part of the reason I think it’s always difficult for public figures to talk about this is that the nature of politics is that you want to have everybody like you and project the best possible traits onto you. Oftentimes that’s by being as vague as possible, or appealing to the lowest commong denominators. The more specific and detailed you are on issues as personal and fundamental as your faith, the more potentially dangerous it is.

GG:
Do you believe in heaven?

OBAMA:
Do I believe in the harps and clouds and wings?

GG:
A place spiritually you go to after you die?

OBAMA:
What I believe in is that if I live my life as well as I can, that I will be rewarded. I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.

When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I’ve been a good father to them, and I see in them that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they’re kind people and that they’re honest people, and they’re curious people, that’s a little piece of heaven.



GG:
Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA:
Yes.

GG:
What is sin?

OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.


GG:
What happens if you have sin in your life?


OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.

all from http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html

ETA - this interview was done in 2004, I think.

 

[TCGreek]

Do we really believe God is responsible for who takes power or not? I guess it depends on who is in office.