Praying the Rosary

[Walpole]

An imitation is not equal to the original, and we don't have Divine power & authority as Jesus has. Have YOU ever called anyone back from the dead ?

Imitate: to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example; to mimic; to make a copy of or reproduce closely; to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble

Jesus spoke with the dead. That is a fact recorded in Scripture. You are now arguing we are NOT to imitate the example of Jesus, as well as arguing Jesus' prayer to the dead Lazarus was futile and in vain, with his prayer not leaving the ceiling of the cave in which Lazarus was buried. The words of Scripture are explicit.

And no, I have not called anyone back from the dead.

I'm sure he didn't just do it on his own. The Scripture says he prayed, then turned toward her body & said, "Tabitha, arise." I believe Peter prayed to God, asking Him what to do, & received an immediate answer.

So you have no verse from Scripture for your assertion. Instead, you just are assuming.

Scripture records Peter praying to the dead Tabitha. The case is closed.

 

[HankD]

Sorry but Joe and Troy WERE individually simultaneously communicating on a personal level to millions of views across the world. That is their job. They are broadcasters.

I am not sure if you have kept up the the technological advancements made in the past several years, particularly with respect to communications, but we now have the capability to communicate with multitudes of people across the world. This capability even extends beyond our world and into space...

---> How to call the International Space Station

If man is able to accomplish this feat, I have no reason to doubt Jesus' describing this being done with those in heaven. (cf. Luke 15:7, 10)




Wonderful. I am so glad to hear. The acts of piety toward God and his Saints are not ends in and of themselves. Rather, their end should be in leading us to a deeper relationship with God, as you indicated they did for you.

God bless.

OK one more time from a different approach - imagine 50,000 people in a stadium whose task it is to pray to the BVM.

They must start at 1:00PM and finish at 1:05PM. Presumably she must have hear each and remember all the requests, that will never be possible for a human being other than the person of Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[Walpole]

OK one more time from a different approach - imagine 50,000 people in a stadium whose task it is to pray to the BVM.

They must start at 1:00PM and finish at 1:05PM. Presumably she must have hear each and remember all the requests, that will never be possible for a human being other than the person of Jesus.

That's a great question and one for which I don't have the answer. For God did not reveal how He makes it possible, only that He does make it possible. Here again are the words of our Blessed Lord...

Luke 15:7 ---> I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

Luke 15:10 ---> "So it is, I tell you, with the angels of God; there is joy among them over one sinner that repents."

The word our Lord uses for repent is μετανοέω, which means to change one's mind; to repent; to think differently (Source)

Hence the angels and saints in heaven are able to rejoice over a sinner repenting here on Earth only if they have been made aware - possible only via God through a means that transcends language - of that person's (sinner) innermost thoughts. Otherwise, they would not be rejoicing over their repentance. For you cannot rejoice in good news you are not aware of.

The early Church called this belief the Communion of Saints and made it a core tenet of the Christian faith, as evidenced by its inclusion in one of the Church's earliest creeds, the Apostle's Creed. It is also the reason why the saints were commemorated from earliest times and why the earliest Christian churches had altars typically built over the tomb of a saint.

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Amen.

 

[HankD]

That's a great question and one for which I don't have the answer. For God did not reveal how He makes it possible, only that He does make it possible. Here again our the words of our Blessed Lord...

Luke 15:7 ---> I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

Luke 15:10 ---> "So it is, I tell you, with the angels of God; there is joy among them over one sinner that repents."

The word our Lord uses for repent is μετανοέω, which means to change one's mind; to repent; to think differently (Source)

Hence the angels and saints in heaven are able to rejoice over a sinner repenting here on Earth only if they have been made aware - possible only via God through a means that transcends language - of that person's (sinner) innermost thoughts. Otherwise, they would not be rejoicing over their repentance. For you cannot rejoice in good news you are not aware of.

The early Church called this belief the Communion of Saints and made it a core tenet of the Christian faith, as evidenced by its inclusion in one of the Church's earliest creeds, the Apostle's Creed. It is also the reason why the saints were commemorated from earliest times and why the earliest Christian Church's had altars typically built over the tomb of a saint.

Amen.

I fully admit that with GOD all things are possible then the communion of saints is within the realm of possibility but IMO not probability due to the lack of definitive scripture for a development of such dogma. The examples of scriptural evidence although showing a kind of exchange of knowledge but is not multi directional and weak stand alone proof.

 

[Walpole]

I fully admit that with GOD all things are possible then the communion of saints is within the realm of possibility but IMO not probability due to the lack of definitive scripture for a development of such dogma. The examples of scriptural evidence although showing a kind of exchange of knowledge but is not multi directional and weak stand alone proof.

Understood, as some teachings of the faith are certainly hard to accept.

I would just conclude by noting many tenets of the faith are not explicitly found in Scripture.

God bless.

 

[HankD]

Understood, as some teachings of the faith are certainly hard to accept.

I would just conclude by noting many tenets of the faith are not explicitly found in Scripture.

God bless.

of course. Judaism's early on problem was that YHWH was/is an invisible GOD.
The religions all around them had idols, statues, figurines, all very optic oriented.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD? WHAT DOES HE LOOK LIKE?

Today the focus of incredulity is the incarnation - where this invisible GOD from a virgin's womb became a mortal visible flesh and blood man subject to death.

 

[David Kent]

Sorry but Joe and Troy WERE individually simultaneously communicating on a personal level to millions of views across the world. That is their job. They are broadcasters.

Yes but they couldn't hear those millions speak to them individually. Your comparison is absolute nonesense.

 

[Walpole]

of course. Judaism's early on problem was that YHWH was/is an invisible GOD.
The religions all around them had idols, statues, figurines, all very optic oriented.
WHERE IS YOUR GOD? WHAT DOES HE LOOK LIKE?

Today the focus of incredulity is the incarnation - where this invisible GOD from a virgin's womb became a mortal visible flesh and blood man subject to death.

Yes, indeed. And the paradox is that God became man, entering into His creation and thus now giving man an image of Himself. In Christ, we now have the “image of the invisible God.” (cf. Col 1:15). Yet to the Jews, this is inconceivable, as they believe God couldn't, wouldn't, nor shouldn't become a man.

God bless.

 

[Walpole]

Yes but they couldn't hear those millions speak to them individually. Your comparison is absolute nonesense.

Get with the times...

---> New Guinness World Record® Established for Largest Conference Call, Breaks Previous Record By More than 60%

If man is able to accomplish this feat, I have no reason to doubt Jesus' description of this being done with those in heaven. (cf. Luke 15:7, 10)

 

[robycop3]

Imitate: to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example; to mimic; to make a copy of or reproduce closely; to have or assume the appearance of; simulate; resemble

Jesus spoke with the dead. That is a fact recorded in Scripture. You are now arguing we are NOT to imitate the example of Jesus, as well as arguing Jesus' prayer to the dead Lazarus was futile and in vain, with his prayer not leaving the ceiling of the cave in which Lazarus was buried. The words of Scripture are explicit.

Again, Jesus can do that; we can't, & be heard by the dead.

And no, I have not called anyone back from the dead.

Then, you don't imitate Jesus, either.

So you have no verse from Scripture for your assertion. Instead, you just are assuming.

Scripture records Peter praying to the dead Tabitha. The case is closed.

No, Peter did NOT pray to her. Scripture does NOT say that ! Here's the Scripture:

Acts 9:40But Peter sent them all out and knelt down and prayed, and turning to the body, he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

 

[utilyan]

Again, Jesus can do that; we can't, & be heard by the dead.



Then, you don't imitate Jesus, either.







No, Peter did NOT pray to her. Scripture does NOT say that ! Here's the Scripture:

Acts 9:40But Peter sent them all out and knelt down and prayed, and turning to the body, he said, “Tabitha, arise.” And she opened her eyes, and when she saw Peter, she sat up.

Technically it counts he is telling dead Tabitha to wake up. Same goes for lazarus, pretty much all the Resurrections.

Roby what happens if you die today? you go to heaven or hell, or limbo or a heavenly spiritual coma. You don't talk to anyone up there/down there?

Cause if anyone can hear you in heaven are you going to keep it a secret that we want YOU and them to pray for us?