Praying the Rosary

Nothing said concerning saints, just the Angels, and still no proof that we ask those on heaven to intercede for us, as again, only ONE mediator/intercessor given to us, Jesus Christ!

 

you need to discern the voice of the LORD speaking from the scriptures, the Psalms in particular which was the Hebrew hymn book and not always the human voice of David but the preincarnate Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity (The Logos - Communicator). between heaven and earth via God as you correctly state.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

you need to discern the voice of the LORD speaking from the scriptures, the Psalms in particular which was the Hebrew hymn book and not always the human voice of David but the preincarnate Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity (The Logos - Communicator). between heaven and earth via God as you correctly state.

 

Luke 15:10 ---> "So it is, I tell you, with the angels of God; there is joy among them over one sinner that repents."


Who is in heaven with the angels and God?

 

There's not too much to discern when the opening line of the Psalm explicitly states whose it is and whose it's author:

Psalm 103:1 "A Psalm of David..."

St. Paul's mention of Christ as mediator in his letter to his young bishop St. Timothy is a Christological statement testifying to Christ's unique mediation as the one and only God-man who offered Himself to the Father. (cf. 1 Tim 2:5-6)

However, St. Paul also told the faithful at Galatia that there is at least one other mediator. Unless you believe the Apostle contradicted himself or simply didn't couldn't add, there are multiple meanings and contexts in which the word is used.

Galatians 3:19 --> "Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator."

Here we see the Apostle lists another as a mediator and uses the exact same Greek word (mesités) to refer to Moses as a mediator as he does for Christ as mediator in 1 Tim 2:5. Thus, the Scriptures teach there is a differentiation between Christ's unique mediation (as the God-man) and man's mediation (as members of God's Church).


Mesités: an arbitrator, a mediator
Original Word: μεσίτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: mesités
Phonetic Spelling: (mes-ee'-tace)
Short Definition: a mediator, go-between
Definition: (a) a mediator, intermediary, (b) a go-between, arbiter, agent of something good.

Source: Strong's Greek: 3316. μεσίτης (mesités) -- an arbitrator, a mediator


Mediator: advocate, arbiter, arbitrator, go-between, honest broker, interceder, intermediary, judge, middleman, moderator, negotiator, peacemaker, referee, umpire

Source: mediator synonym | English synonyms dictionary | Reverso

 

no, not necessarily, a Psalm of David - ownership as king of Israel but not author. Besides it does not make right the catholic dogma of communication with the dead especially as mediator or intercessor.

convincing for some but not me.
catholic intercession of the saints via communication between individuals in heaven and on earth is not spelled out as definitive as in other teaching organizations in the church. i was raised as a cradle catholic - the so called "Communion of the Saints" is not spelled out by any apostle including Paul, neither taught by the LORD. It is built upon very questionable scripture - church tradition - this is what you have.

 

If you believe that she can hear you and the prayers of all the other deluded from around the world, yes you do treat her as a goddess.

 

You’ll find no scriptural support for any saints rejoicing in heaven over repentant sinners. There is none. Your response is nonsense.

 

No, we are not all Baptist.

 

I believe the beads were made to recite the Psalms. Another overlooked thing about the rosary is let's say you have a bunch of things in your mind, what better way to concentrate on things spiritual and get all those other things out of your head is to fill the mind with a set sequence of prayers.

The oft repeated charge about the rosary is "repetition" so I will ask the question would it be wrong if one just repeated the words "Jesus help me" over and over again? To the purist, would that not be repetition also?

 

only "vain" repetition does Jesus frown upon.

 

Remember, JESUS IS GOD, & He could/can do that. We can't.

And He spiritually told Pete what to do/say over Dorcas.

 

No matter who says what, the fact remains that RECITING a prayer without any thought of the words, is wrong and useless.

And Mary can't do anything for or against us. She's long-dead.

 

Just last week I was on a conference call where participants from all over the world were speaking and I was able to hear and communicate with them. Was it all just a delusion or am I now a god?

 

Eph 5:1 ---> "Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children."

Jesus spoke to his dead friend Lazarus. According to you:

1. His prayer never left the ceiling of the cave (tomb) in which Lazarus was buried.

2. We are not to be imitators of Jesus because He is God and we are not and therefore we can’t imitate Him.

Are these correct characterizations of your arguments?

I am missing that in Luke's account in Acts 9. Can you please give me the verse which says Peter prayed to the dead Tabitha because he was spiritually told to do that?

 

you are comparing apples and refrigerators.

presumably Mary would/could communicate with millions instantaneously on any given day.

again, as a child (pre Vatican II) in Catholic school i was instructed to kneel before the statue of Mary, make the sign of the cross, say my prayer, ask my petition, give thanks, make the sign of the cross. Same procedure for Jesus except kneel at the altar rail before the crucifix or before the ciborium.

 

About a month and a half ago, on a single day in November, roughly 30 million people worldwide were instantaneously able to hear and see Joe Buck and Troy Aikman announce and communicate a football game.

—> Cowboys-Patriots Draws More Than 30 Million Viewers; Ranks as Most-Watched Game of the Season | Fox Sports PressPass

Was it all a delusion or are Joe and Troy now gods?

Wonderful. Acts of piety are beautiful ways to express our love for God and His saints.

 

you are not listening to my blithering. Joe and Troy cannot INDIVIDUALLY COMMUNICATE SIMULTANEOUSLY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL with each of the viewers as if they individually had omniscience/omnipresence like Mary (which she does not) WHICH i was taught as a child. IOW neither one of them could have a personalized private communication with each and every petitioner as if deity.

thank you, i have moved to an even higher plane by bypassing the mediators, mediatrix and entering directly beyond the veil (now opened), directly into the presence of GOD in the name and authority of the finished work of my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. HIS death burial and resurrection.

 

An imitation is not equal to the original, and we don't have Divine power & authority as Jesus has. Have YOU ever called anyone back from the dead ?

I'm sure he didn't just do it on his own. The Scripture says he prayed, then turned toward her body & said, "Tabitha, arise." I believe Peter prayed to God, asking Him what to do, & received an immediate answer.

 

Sorry but Joe and Troy WERE individually simultaneously communicating on a personal level to millions of views across the world. That is their job. They are broadcasters.

I am not sure if you have kept up the the technological advancements made in the past several years, particularly with respect to communications, but we now have the capability to communicate with multitudes of people across the world. This capability even extends beyond our world and into space...

---> How to call the International Space Station

If man is able to accomplish this feat, I have no reason to doubt Jesus' describing this being done with those in heaven. (cf. Luke 15:7, 10)

Wonderful. I am so glad to hear. The acts of piety toward God and his Saints are not ends in and of themselves. Rather, their end should be in leading us to a deeper relationship with God, as you indicated they did for you.

God bless.