Praying the Rosary

[Walpole]

I already proved my argument from scripture, but you have your agenda. Moving on..

Best wishes to you.

 

[utilyan]

Will do!

Why would it be wrong to pray the Our Father as it is in the Bible?

I understand that it’s in scripture, I made sure to understand the fullness of the Rosary and even asked some Catholic friends.

If Mary is holy, could you please quote scripture that states this? I just want to do the Lord’s will and make sure that I’m following Him and not worshiping anyone above Him, for He is my Lord and Savior and I put none above Him.

1 peter 1

13Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

You should be HOLY too. That just doesn't mean we worship you as God nor would any Catholic worship You or Mary.

The whole ANTI-MARY thing is just a result of throwing out the baby with bathwater of the catholic faith.

Folks have gone out of the way they even deny the trinity just because Catholics thought it up.

In other words if Catholic believes A then the correct answer must be B for everything.


Think about it you always hear OH they WORSHIP MARY. When all your ammo, thunder has Lies and misrepresentation for a foundation that should raise a red flag.

Example I don't have to lie or make up what another person believes to prove them wrong. I can agree what they believe is actually what they believe, then I find a fault with it.

 

[Walpole]

Since the topic of Mary was brought up and because we are in the Christmas season, I would like to point out an observation.

In the infancy narratives in St. Luke's and St. Matthew's Gospels, it is worth noting that these accounts were written after the actual occurrence of the event. Furthermore, neither St. Luke nor St. Matthew were present when they occurred. Therefore, the only possible source for these narratives was Mary herself, the great Mother of God.

"But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart."

 

[Walpole]

1 peter 1

13Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

You should be HOLY too. That just doesn't mean we worship you as God nor would any Catholic worship You or Mary.

The whole ANTI-MARY thing is just a result of throwing out the baby with bathwater of the catholic faith.

Folks have gone out of the way they even deny the trinity just because Catholics thought it up.

In other words if Catholic believes A then the correct answer must be B for everything.


Think about it you always hear OH they WORSHIP MARY. When all your ammo, thunder has Lies and misrepresentation for a foundation that should raise a red flag.

Example I don't have to lie or make up what another person believes to prove them wrong. I can agree what they believe is actually what they believe, then I find a fault with it.

Great post. It reminds me of a quip Chesterton noted, that if a pope spoke out against adultery, immediately there would be Protestants stating there must be some good in it, simply because the pope opposes it.

 

[HankD]

The Rosary is the second most powerful set of prayers after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass... why wouldn't you pray it?

Personally I want to enter into the Holy of Holies to communicate directly to the Father.

 

[Yeshua1]

Personally I want to enter into the Holy of Holies to communicate directly to the Father.

God, not the Pope!

 

[HankD]

Can you point me to anything in the Catechism, Bible, liturgical prayers or anything from the Catholic Church which teaches Mary is a goddess?

Do you know what a straw man is?

I know what a Holy God is.

So Jesus was mistaken that those in heaven are not aware of the prayers and thoughts of the faithful here below?

Someone is wrong, you I or Jesus.

What about St. John? He records the saints interceding for us in heaven in his Apocalypse. Could he too be mistaken?

The Apocalypse is a metaphorical book of signs. One needs to know the other books of the Bible especially the prophets to begin to understand it.

Do you see the irony in your posting this verse? You violate verse 4 by the sheer fact that you have an avatar of a likeness of that which is on the earth, a man.

yes i know that. i have been born of the Spirit.

It supports the Christian belief in the Communion of Saints.

yes, on earth and then in heaven afterwards.

Nice ad hominem. Do you typically accuse those with whom you disagree with having learning disabilities?

i spoke the truth - your learning disability is the Catholic Church, i prayed for your release. YES REALLY.

 

[Zenas]

How can Mary hear the millions who are praying to her simultaneously without the her being omnipresent? Then how does she change things on earth in answer to these millions of prayers without being omnipotent?

I have thought about this first question quite a bit and really don't know the answer, nor does anyone else. However, here is a plausible theory. I believe that in Heaven there is no such thing as the passage of time. See 2 Peter 3:8. That being so, Mary has an infinite amount of time to hear millions of prayers. Or conversely, millions of prayers which would be millions of hours on earth could be heard in an instant in Heaven because Heavenly creatures are not burdened by the constraints of time.

As for the second question, Mary has no power to change things on earth. No creature does. But Mary conveys these petitions to her Son, who does have such power. (See prayers of the saints in Rev. 8.) So a prayer to Mary would be like asking you to pray for me.

 

[HankD]

I have thought about this first question quite a bit and really don't know the answer, nor does anyone else. However, here is a plausible theory. I believe that in Heaven there is no such thing as the passage of time. See 2 Peter 3:8. That being so, Mary has an infinite amount of time to hear millions of prayers. Or conversely, millions of prayers which would be millions of hours on earth could be heard in an instant in Heaven because Heavenly creatures are not burdene/d by the constraints of time.

As for the second question, Mary has no power to change things on earth. No creature does. But Mary conveys these petitions to her Son, who does have such power. (See prayers of the saints in Rev. 8.) So a prayer to Mary would be like asking you to pray for me.

well, i know it comforts Catholics to pray to Mary.
even if what you say is possible why do you need to go to Mary? Why not Go directly to GOD?
I love Mary even though i have never seen her face to face but i can't pray to her.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have thought about this first question quite a bit and really don't know the answer, nor does anyone else. However, here is a plausible theory. I believe that in Heaven there is no such thing as the passage of time. See 2 Peter 3:8. That being so, Mary has an infinite amount of time to hear millions of prayers. Or conversely, millions of prayers which would be millions of hours on earth could be heard in an instant in Heaven because Heavenly creatures are not burdened by the constraints of time.

As for the second question, Mary has no power to change things on earth. No creature does. But Mary conveys these petitions to her Son, who does have such power. (See prayers of the saints in Rev. 8.) So a prayer to Mary would be like asking you to pray for me.

God needs help to hear and answer prayers? Jesus cannot handle those by Himself? What part of being all powerful and all knowing are you missing?

 

[church mouse guy]

Great post. It reminds me of a quip Chesterton noted, that if a pope spoke out against adultery, immediately there would be Protestants stating there must be some good in it, simply because the pope opposes it.

Ha!ha! Wish the Pope would get rid of all the practicing homosexuals among the cardinals, bishops, & priests. McCarrick should be moved to secular housing--he has tons of money.

 

[Adonia]

Why not Go directly to GOD?

To be consistent, you should never ask anyone here on earth to pray for you either. Perhaps one should as you say go directly to God, do not seek an intermediary between you and Him.

 

[Adonia]

Although I was praying the rosary, I didn’t accept all Catholic doctrine which I’m grateful for. Since I started this topic I’ve stopped praying the rosary and asked God to lead me out of this practice and to forgive me for not doing His will. I am acknowledging my sin and am making an effort to be led back to the path of righteousness.

One question for you friend. When you were praying the Rosary, did you actually take the time to meditate upon the mysteries? Surely there is nothing wrong with meditating on those momentous events in Christ's life. So why not just ditch the two that deal with the Blessed Mother and keep the others?

The way Baptists pray it's just asking God to do this or that, finish up with the words "In Jesus' name" and wham bam your praying is over. Is that really praying or is it just hitting the notes you are supposed to hit?

 

[Adonia]

Jesus said to avoid "vain" repetition - empty of thought

I totally agree. Which is why to pray the rosary correctly it requires thinking (meditating) seriously about the things the Savior went through for us.

 

[Adonia]

They're dead HERE. And they don't know (or care) what's going on here.

Then you would have to ascribe the same thing to Jesus. According to your reasoning why should He care what happens here to any one of us still on earth? He came, did what He had to do and then left.

Ah, but you could respond with talking about the spiritual aspect of Jesus, which would be the exact same thing when one prays the rosary - the spiritual aspect.

 

[HankD]

To be consistent, you should never ask anyone here on earth to pray for you either. Perhaps one should as you say go directly to God, do not seek an intermediary between you and Him.

i dont ask , people pray for me but actually i dont ask.

 

[church mouse guy]

To be consistent, you should never ask anyone here on earth to pray for you either. Perhaps one should as you say go directly to God, do not seek an intermediary between you and Him.

I myself don't think that that is the issue. As a member of the royal priesthood of believers, a Christian can walk right into the Holy of Holies as the curtain of the Temple was rent down the middle.

The RCC is messed up right now but any Pope is an absolute monarch. We know that this abandonment of Christian doctrine is sweeping the SBC, also. Mostly leftist Christians want political power over others and they are using their trinity of race, gender, and class to attack. They want to grant membership status to homosexuals, saying it is an orientation, but not defining it as either genetic or acquired for obvious reasons.

Since Obama, we have only heard that everything Western is racist as if melanin meant something. And on the issue of class, Scripture teaches that Christians are mostly the down & out. 1 Corinthians 1:26

Evangelicals & Traditional Catholics are allies and friends as time goes by.

 

[skyjoy00]

One question for you friend. When you were praying the Rosary, did you actually take the time to meditate upon the mysteries? Surely there is nothing wrong with meditating on those momentous events in Christ's life. So why not just ditch the two that deal with the Blessed Mother and keep the others?

Yes I did, I had no fault in doing so, but was quite unsure on praying the Hail Mary or Hail Holy Queen as well as the two mysteries I mentioned earlier which is why I created this topic. I thought about this a lot and I think I might continue praying the rosary but replace the Hail Marys for a different prayer to God as well as replace the Hail Holy Queen and of course ditch the two mysteries like you said.

 

[robycop3]

Then you would have to ascribe the same thing to Jesus. According to your reasoning why should He care what happens here to any one of us still on earth? He came, did what He had to do and then left.

Ah, but you could respond with talking about the spiritual aspect of Jesus, which would be the exact same thing when one prays the rosary - the spiritual aspect.

Well, Jesus is far-more-powerful than the soul of any ordinary person. He is God; they are not.

And once more - Prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

 

[Zenas]

God needs help to hear and answer prayers? Jesus cannot handle those by Himself? What part of being all powerful and all knowing are you missing?

Not missing a thing, Yeshua. Has anyone ever asked you to pray for them? Did you tell that person not to go through you, that God doesn't need your help to hear and answer prayers? I suspect not. I think you would pray for anyone who asked you to. So would I. We both believe in intercessory prayer because scripture teaches us to pray for one another.

So the difference is not, as you say, that those who pray to saints think God lacks the power to hear and answer prayers. The difference is actually that you don't seem to believe that the saints in Heaven can hear your petitions to pray for them. Based on Hebrews 12:1 and Revelation 8:3-5, I believe they can.