Praying the Rosary

[Walpole]

Can't understand why a Baptist would want to pray to the dead.

Perhaps a Baptist is discovering the belief in the Communion of Saints...


"Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts, you his servants who do his will." (Psalm 103:21)

"Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord from the heavens; praise him in the heights above. Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his heavenly hosts." (Psalm 148:1-2)

 

[Hollow Man]

Asking the alive in Christ to pray for him. Nobody praying the rosary is praying to the dead

Yes, by praying to Mary and dead saints, you're praying to the dead, which is strictly prohibited in scripture.

 

[Walpole]

Will do!

Why would it be wrong to pray the Our Father as it is in the Bible?

I understand that it’s in scripture, I made sure to understand the fullness of the Rosary and even asked some Catholic friends.

If Mary is holy, could you please quote scripture that states this? I just want to do the Lord’s will and make sure that I’m following Him and not worshiping anyone above Him, for He is my Lord and Savior and I put none above Him.

"If Mary is holy"? The word holy means set apart. Mary was most certainly set apart as only Mary gave a human nature to God.

 

[skyjoy00]

Yes, by praying to Mary and dead saints, you're praying to the dead, which is strictly prohibited in scripture.

Could you tell me where it’s prohibited in scripture?

"If Mary is holy"? The word holy means set apart. Mary was most certainly set apart as only Mary gave a human nature to God.

So by praying to Mary, I’m not worshiping her, just acknowledging that she’s the mother of Jesus? That she was set apart by God to birth Jesus?

 

[robycop3]

Prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

 

[Adonia]

Prayers to the dead don't go past the ceiling.

No one in heaven is dead. Is Abraham the "Father of us all" dead? Certainly not. Is Elijah the prophet dead? Nope, not him either. Is the thief on the cross dead or alive in paradise with Jesus?

Once again, this is where you folks miss the boat. There is indeed a "Communion of Saints" and none of them are dead - not one. If you believe otherwise than you have either missed or choose to ignore the basic Christian teaching of "life after death", or the life that continues on after the death of this body we are now in.

 

[Adonia]

Why would it be wrong to pray the Our Father as it is in the Bible?

It wouldn't, but some Baptists here have said in the past that repeating the Our Father prayer verbatim as it is given to us in Scripture is wrong.

If Mary is holy, could you please quote scripture that states this?

It is only common sense to believe that Mary is holy. Would the Holy Spirit come upon someone to initiate the coming of the Savior if she wasn't? You can take her holiness to the bank! She had an innate holiness, while we strive for it.

 

[church mouse guy]

It wouldn't, but some Baptists here have said in the past that repeating the Our Father prayer verbatim as it is given to us in Scripture is wrong.



It is only common sense to believe that Mary is holy. Would the Holy Spirit come upon someone to initiate the coming of the Savior if she wasn't? You can take her holiness to the bank! She had an innate holiness, while we strive for it.

Not so. Mary was a sinner just like everyone else.

Jesus said in Luke 8:21 "...My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it."

 

[mailmandan]

Not so. Mary was a sinner just like everyone else.

Jesus said in Luke 8:21 "...My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it."

Amen! Luke 1:46 - Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! Why would Mary need a Savior if she was sinless? Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all "expect Mary."

 

[Hollow Man]

Could you tell me where it’s prohibited in scripture?

First of all, it's not my responsibility to show where it's prohibited in scripture. It's your responsibility to show where in scripture it's permissible to pray to a dead woman, to ascribe omnipresence and omniscience to her, and to call her "Holy Queen".

But since you brought it up, put your "Daily Missal" down and go find a Bible and look up Acts 10:25-26, Acts 14:13-16, Matthew 4:10, Revelation 10:10, Revelation 22:8-9, 1 John 2:1, 1 Timothy 2:5.

You might also want to look up what the Bible says about the "Queen of Heaven",

So by praying to Mary, I’m not worshiping her, just acknowledging that she’s the mother of Jesus? That she was set apart by God to birth Jesus?

Nope. You're declaring her the "Holy Queen of Heaven", ascribing powers and authorities to her the Bible says belong only to God, committing idolatry, and thumbing your nose at the Bible's prohibition on praying to the dead.

That's why your cult tries to get around this by calling worship "veneration".

 

[Hollow Man]

Not so. Mary was a sinner just like everyone else.

Jesus said in Luke 8:21 "...My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it."

The Bible repeatedly portrays Mary as humble, and she even acknowledged that she was a servant, not a "queen". Based on what the Bible tells us about her, she would probably be horrified to think she's being hailed as a "Holy Queen".

Not to mention the fact that they've assigned her the same name, "Queen of Heaven", as an Old Testament pagan god.

 

[Hollow Man]

Amen! Luke 1:46 - Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! Why would Mary need a Savior if she was sinless? Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all "expect Mary."

The Bible also tells us that she and Joseph went to the temple to offer sacrifices for their sins. Doesn't sound like she thought she was sinless.

 

[HankD]

Isn't that word for word prayer a no, no? Why someone here said just a few weeks ago that "The Lord's Prayer" should not be recited word for word as it appears in the Scriptures. What say you?

its ok, think of the thousands of memorized verses we have hidden in our hearts. the ones we recite in our minds during the day as a prayer.

Jesus said to avoid "vain" repetition - empty of thought. Repetition with thought is called persistence.

 

[HankD]

Wow, I am surprised you responded as you did. My, my, it seems that the old Catholic in you still lives.

when you lead someone out of the darkness you have to go into it yourself [carefully] to rescue them.

 

[Walpole]

Amen! Luke 1:46 - Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! Why would Mary need a Savior if she was sinless?

To every Jew, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Savior.

--> "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour." (Isaiah 43:11)

--> "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. (Isaiah 45:21)

--> "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no Saviour beside me." (Hosea 13:4)

--> "The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my Saviour; thou savest me from violence." (2 Samuel 22:3)

Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all "expect Mary."

Romans 3 makes no exception for Christ either. Notice it doesn't say all "except Jesus." No mention of Christ. No exceptions. Hence either Christ too must be included or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language. You can't have it both ways.

 

[HankD]

Who believes Mary is a goddess?

Catholics. How can Mary hear the millions who are praying to her simultaneously without the her being omnipresent? Then how does she change things on earth in answer to these millions of prayers without being omnipotent?






Matthew 26:44 ---> “So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again.”

Jesus said to avoid "vain" repetition, repetition by rattling off the Hail Mary and/or the Our Father in a few seconds without any thought. Repetition WITH thought is persistence,


Revelation 4:8 ---> "Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.'”

This is not meant to be a model of your behavior unless of course you are a heavenly creature with six wings covered with eyes. BTW this is obviously metaphorical.

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 3 makes no exception for Christ either. Notice it doesn't say all "except Jesus." No mention of Christ. No exceptions. Hence either Christ too must be included or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language. You can't have it both ways.

It's actually you who can't have it both ways and Christ is the exception. Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest (Jesus Christ) who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Where does the Bible say that about Mary?

 

[skyjoy00]

First of all, it's not my responsibility to show where it's prohibited in scripture. It's your responsibility to show where in scripture it's permissible to pray to a dead woman, to ascribe omnipresence and omniscience to her, and to call her "Holy Queen".

Every question I ask is genuine and in no way sarcastic, I’m just trying to ask my fellow Baptist community for advice on if it’s wrong to do what I’m doing. Thank you for your thoughts and references in the Bible.

That's why your cult tries to get around this by calling worship "veneration".

Like I said I’m also a Baptist looking for answers from others who follow God, our Father Almighty. If you see my introduction into this forum, I’ve been led astray and am trying to reaffirm my beliefs through other Baptist communities.
Hi, Happy to be Here

 

[robycop3]

No one in heaven is dead. Is Abraham the "Father of us all" dead? Certainly not. Is Elijah the prophet dead? Nope, not him either. Is the thief on the cross dead or alive in paradise with Jesus?

Once again, this is where you folks miss the boat. There is indeed a "Communion of Saints" and none of them are dead - not one. If you believe otherwise than you have either missed or choose to ignore the basic Christian teaching of "life after death", or the life that continues on after the death of this body we are now in.

They're dead HERE. And they don't know (or care) what's going on here.

 

[Yeshua1]

Every question I ask is genuine and in no way sarcastic, I’m just trying to ask my fellow Baptist community for advice on if it’s wrong to do what I’m doing. Thank you for your thoughts and references in the Bible.


Like I said I’m also a Baptist looking for answers from others who follow God, our Father Almighty. If you see my introduction into this forum, I’ve been led astray and am trying to reaffirm my beliefs through other Baptist communities.
Hi, Happy to be Here

Jesus is our mediator between us and the father, he is our High priest, and He is our Lord. To pray or venerate or worship anyone other than God Himself is idol worship,and strictly forbidden by scriptures.