1689Dave
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There is no physical kingdom.
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Pre Millennial is what is Biblical
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Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
The chronology is after the Transfiguration but before the Crucifixion and Resurrection so it has to be Pentecost.
1689Dave
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But flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom = glorified saints fighting glorified saints.
You said that Satan would be around during the millennium but Revelation said that he would be locked up for 1000 years. Then Revelation says that Satan would be let loose for a little while and that large numbers of people would follow Satan even though they would have know that Jesus God in Human Flesh was in Jerusalem for 1000 years. This shows that people are basically depraved.
I already told you that people left on earth would not get glorified bodies. I think that I was wrong to say that those in the first resurrection get glorified bodies at that time, because they reign with Jesus for 1000 years.
1689Dave
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But flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. So there is no basis for any but the glorified saints being there if a millennium were to be. And this is the only people Satan can rally when loosed. This is a major flaw in physical kingdom thinking.
No. You yourself said that the millennium is not the kingdom but Heaven is the kingdom. And we agreed that when Paul was talking about a spiritual body, he was talking about a glorified body such as the one that Jesus had when He was resurrected from the dead physically. Remember that Thomas himself confirmed that Jesus had a physical body when Jesus was resurrected. We see another picture of Jesus when He comes back the second time, the Second Advent, the Blessed Hope.
1689Dave
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You are missing my point. I'll try later.
37818
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No such thing is taught. What is taught is such will not inherit the kingdom.
37818
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No true.
37818
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In Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27 Jesus is speaking about His transfiguration, not Pentecost.
1689Dave
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If flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, who else will be there besides the glorified saints?
1689Dave
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They not only cannot inherit it, they cannot see it.
37818
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Your spiritual kingdom arguement blows up. Sense all of us are now flesh and blood (John 3:3).
37818
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Humans who were not resurrected being ruled by Christ and His resurrected saints (Revelation 20:4-9).
1689Dave
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Which proves Amillennialism.
1689Dave
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We are in the kingdom spiritually.
Wow, I thought that the Transfiguration was before this speech at the gates of hell. So you are saying that it was yet to come?
Why do you continue to change what you yourself said that Paul said. Paul said a spiritual body. Are you in a spiritual body? If so, then are you now free of sin? The wages of sin is death or do you disagree?
1689Dave
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We haven't received our bodily resurrection yet. Just the spiritual.
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