Pre Millennial is what is Biblical

[1689Dave]

1689, won't you been in Heaven in a new glorified body?

That is not the millennium.

 

[church mouse guy]

That is not the millennium.

So Heaven, I infer, will consist of a physical kingdom. So then the millennium is usually defined as a thousand year reign by Jesus on earth--wouldn't that be physical if Jesus returns to earth for a thousand years?

 

[1689Dave]

So Heaven, I infer, will consist of a physical kingdom. So then the millennium is usually defined as a thousand year reign by Jesus on earth--wouldn't that be physical if Jesus returns to earth for a thousand years?

No, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

 

[church mouse guy]

No, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

1. 1689, you said that Heaven is not the millennium, and we know that we will have incorruptible bodies in Heaven so we know that Heaven will be a physical kingdom, right?

2. So when Jesus returns for a thousand years to reign on earth, that is not the kingdom because He will reign over the resurrected dead in Christ and the people caught up in the air and everyone else who is still alive on earth, right?

 

[1689Dave]

1. 1689, you said that Heaven is not the millennium, and we know that we will have incorruptible bodies in Heaven so we know that Heaven will be a physical kingdom, right?

2. So when Jesus returns for a thousand years to reign on earth, that is not the kingdom because He will reign over the resurrected dead in Christ and the people caught up in the air and everyone else who is still alive on earth, right?

We will have spiritual bodies as Paul says. The kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are the same.

 

[church mouse guy]

We will have spiritual bodies as Paul says. The kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God are the same.

Where does Paul say that we have spiritual bodies in Heaven? If Jesus was resurrected from the dead physically, we ourselves will be resurrected from the dead physically also!

 

[1689Dave]

Where does Paul say that we have spiritual bodies in Heaven? If Jesus was resurrected from the dead physically, we ourselves will be resurrected from the dead physically also!

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:43–44)

 

[church mouse guy]

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Corinthians 15:43–44)

Ah, notice that it is the natural body that is sown in dishonor but raised in glory, etc. The spiritual body is a body but it is a body like Jesus had because Jesus had a body after He rose from the dead! The word resurrection implies physical body--else how could one rise up?

 

[1689Dave]

Ah, notice that it is the natural body that is sown in dishonor but raised in glory, etc. The spiritual body is a body but it is a body like Jesus had because Jesus had a body after He rose from the dead! The word resurrection implies physical body--else how could one rise up?

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2)

 

[church mouse guy]

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” (1 John 3:2)

Exactly, we are going to have a glorified body just as Jesus did when He was on earth from the time of Easter morning until His ascension unto Heaven. You have made my point. I call it a glorified body. It will not have a sin nature.

 

[1689Dave]

Exactly, we are going to have a glorified body just as Jesus did when He was on earth from the time of Easter morning until His ascension unto Heaven. You have made my point. I call it a glorified body. It will not have a sin nature.

The problem is, if flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, so this is who would be in the millennium for Satan to deceive and attack the rest. That is, if there is to be a millennium.

 

[37818]

"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

That was a prophecy of Jesus' transfiguration, how He will appear in His physical kingdom.

 

[church mouse guy]

The problem is, if flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, so this is who would be in the millennium for Satan to deceive and attack the rest. That is, if there is to be a millennium.

Satan will be in custody, so to speak, for 1000 years.

Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

[37818]

The problem is, if flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom, so this is who would be in the millennium for Satan to deceive and attack the rest. That is, if there is to be a millennium.

Those are the ones in the millennium who do not inherit it.

 

[1689Dave]

Those are the ones in the millennium who do not inherit it.

But flesh and blood cannot enter it. So this leaves only the glorified for Satan to deceive after the 1000 years.

 

[church mouse guy]

That was a prophecy of Jesus' transfiguration, how He will appear in His physical kingdom.

A prophecy of Pentecost.

 

[1689Dave]

Satan will be in custody, so to speak, for 1000 years.

Revelation 20:2 (KJV) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

But afterwards he will have only the glorified to deceive and war against the rest. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

 

[37818]

That is not the millennium.

In the millennium believers will have bodies like Christ (1 John 3:2; Revelation 20:4-6).

 

[37818]

A prophecy of Pentecost.

Nonsense.

 

[1689Dave]

In the millennium believers will have bodies like Christ (1 John 3:2).

And they will be the only ones there for Satan to deceive.