Matthew 25:v.10&13
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
13 - Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
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Matthew 25:v.10&13
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
13 - Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
More precisely as is written in 1 Corinthians 15:v.24-28:
24 The END cometh when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies UNDER HIS FEET.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
2 Peter 3:4-13 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
The main advantage to dispensationalism is that it allows Evangelicals & Fundamentalists to avoid having to dodge the Anti-Christ and gets them out of the way of those who are not dispensationalists.
Alan Gross
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These Scriptures Teach The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, as Imminent.
Except for the Matthew 24 Scripture which describes, "when shall these things be", i.e., the destruction of the Temple and not one stone left on another.
With that, I have never seen anything relating to anything other than The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, as Imminent.
I do not know of any evidence that The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, is NOT Imminent and NOT The End of this World, with no more opportunity for anyone to be Saved, forever,
....and I do not know of any evidence that The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, is NOT Imminent and NOT The End of this World, with no more opportunity for anyone to be Saved, forever.
Oh, yeah, dispensationalism teaches it could be any second.
atpollard
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I don't think that is accurate.
I think you have over-generalized dispensationalism.
What do you mean?
Alan Gross
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I believe 'dispensationalists' teach a lot of incredible foolishness that is "in the way" of Jesus' Return.
Anyway, here are 66 Scriptures that I see almost every Preacher IGNORE, everyday of their ministry.
Who would lead them to do that?
And say, "oh, there are more books THAT "MIGHT" teach something else".
What?
9.0.0 > NT Intro iv: SIXTY-SIX NEW TESTAMENT Verses Teach The SECOND COMING of JESUS CHRIST & THE END of TIME.
Right out of Dallas?
atpollard
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Your statement was "Oh, yeah, dispensationalism teaches it could be any second." with "it" being "Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment" from the quote of the post by Alan Gross.
My understanding of the defining characteristics of "Dispensationalism" are seven dispensations (eras) of God's interaction with man:
- Innocence (pre-Fall)
- Conscience (Fall–Noah)
- Government (Noah–Abraham)
- Promise (Abraham–Moses)
- Mosaic Law (Moses–Christ)
- Grace (current age)
- Millennial Kingdom (1,000 year earthly reign of Christ, yet to come)
For a "mid-tribulation rapture" dispensationalist the church/saints/bride must endure the first 3.5 years under the "antichrist" before Jesus returns for His people, and Judgement still waits until his second coming, so His return is less "imminent".
For a "post-tribulation rapture" dispensationalist (the most common pre-19th Century) the church/saints/bride must endure the Great Tribulation before Jesus returns for His people and Judgement, so His return is less "imminent".
For dispensationalists that see the "Millennial Kingdom" as fulfillment of the OT promises to Israel, there is a SECOND return Resurrection of the new saints at the end of the 1000 years and THEN comes the final judgement.
So "Dispensationalism" is a BIG TENT with a lot of views that do not easily suffer generalizations.
Perhaps not in your world, but post-trib is certainly one view of dispensationalism.
Alan Gross
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...is that what you are doing?...'IGNOREing' those 66 Scriptures?
The misreading, or thinking there could be a 'double-prophecy', in Matthew 24 leads to trying to put it in The End Times.
Folks who read the Revelation like 'narrative', from start to finish, (rather than a scroll of seven contemporaneous Visions) use some Matthew 24 Scriptures, as misreading, or thinking there could be a 'double-prophecy'.
There are no 'double-prophecies', or 'double-interpretations'.
Jesus answers the disciples' third question, about "when shall these things be"..."the End of The World", starting in Matthew 24:35.
Not 'till then.
There is symbolic, Biblically-Figurative, language used before Matthew 24:35, which seems like is about "The End of The World", when it is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem.
No, there are no 'double-interpretations'.
That just is not true. Post-trib was being refuted by Scofield and is considered heretical by most Evangelicals and Fundamentalists.
Yes,
Since all these things are thus to be DISSOLVED, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and DISSOLVED (DISMANTLED), and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
As we can understanding by revelation of the Word of God-the Word is God- , the current world of the Devil(Luke 4:v.5-7) will be DISSOLVED (DISMANTLED) as an IMPLOSION. Though it be hard to understand the dissolution of the current modern and gigantic world, I would say by comparision in minor grade how hard was to understand the destruction of the WTC around twenty years ago. Who would imagine a thing like that?
Thinking well, the invisible Coronavirus-COVID 19, has already impacted or partially dismantled the world, even bewildered the whole world, and has troubled and distressed, and anguished the whole world. But the people are sleeping a profound sleep, and they are not linking the last happenings with the fulfilment of prophecies of the END of the times. In fact our God has begun to destroy the world of Devil-the Word is God - and fulfiling naturally in its own time as was determined since ancient times.
What makes me worried even with relation to the God's people(many are sleeping yet), is the own words of our Lord JESUS as is written in Luke 18:v.8, that says: Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
In Hebrews 11:v.6-7 we read: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please God: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. -->The Word is God <---
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things NOT SEEN as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Matthew 25:v.6-12 - IT IS MIDNIGHT
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
In my understanding it will be very very sad and terrible.
You lost me. I thought that your talking about the imminent return of Jesus sounded like dispensationalism.
atpollard
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See, post-trib doesn't teach that at all, as I imagine that you will concede.
JESUS said unto His disciples: ...All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the END of the world. Amen.
Well, the END of the whole world of Devil has arrived. Though our LORD be invisible yet, this fact is not an obstacle to Him to make be fulfilled LITERALLY what He revealed unto the disciples in Matthew 24:v.7-8, for examples:
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom (G-7; G20; EU; UN; among others, be all them DISSOLVED, or be all DISMANTLED);
Also He can make occur famines, and pestilences in whole world;
And be occurred DIVERS earthquakes, in divers places, in fulfilment His own words, and cause great pain and sorrows.
Yeah, all power was given unto JESUS in heaven and in earth.
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