Presidential Fearmongering

[Revmitchell]

Not true at all, Obama has invited the Republican's to his office to get their suggestions and he met with them at the capitol. Invited them over for cocktails and to watch te super bowl. What they are shutting down is unproductive debate.

I suppose you didn't know since this is not part of the Dems talking points but the Repubs were not consulted before putting the bill together. And then a false show was made by calling repubs to the whitehouse which was for the sole purpose of convincing them of what they already determined to do.

Here is the real problem the Dems will not talk about:

http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/upload/Heritage_stimulus_spending_flier4.pdf

http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/upload/Heritage_stimulus_spending_flier3.pdf

http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/upload/Heritage_stimulus_spending_flier2.pdf

And it is really cheesy to try to make this out to be all about Republican obstructionism when far to many Democrats are not buying into this "stuff" for lack of a better and realistic term. And no economist believes this bill will immediately create jobs.

 

[JustChristian]

It would seem that now we could start talking about the O'bama Recession.

For 80 years Democrats have used Hoover Times to beat Republicans over the head, the same way they have used any attempt to rescue Social Security. It is only in the last few month that we learn that the policies of overspending and overtaxation by FDR extended the Depression until he introduced us to WWII.

No, no. This thing happened on Bush's watch. I know you don't want to accept it but it's true.

 

[chuck2336]

If you add up all the so call wasteful spending the GOP can find in this package, it comes to less than 1% of the entire bill. This says to me the package could be 99.5% great for the nation and the economy but some would fold their arms and refuse to sign because of .5% waste. I believe at a time we have to take the good with the bad.

So explain to me how new sod for the capital, broader dsl coverage and STD education stimulates the economy. What jobs are in this?

Stop drinking the obama kool-aid and look at this bill for what it is 99.5 % waste!

 

[Andy T.]

I thought America chose hope over fear in Obama? So why the fearmongering?

 

[Revmitchell]

I thought America chose hope over fear in Obama? So why the fearmongering?

Because he is a paper President

 

[OldRegular]

"This recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse," Obama wrote in the newspaper piece titled, "The Action Americans Need."

The nation leaped over the cliff when they elected O'bama. Now they are reaping what they have sewn and he's only been in office two weeks.

 

[OldRegular]

No, no. This thing happened on Bush's watch. I know you don't want to accept it but it's true.

It happened because Barney F. and Chris Dodd blocked reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Barney apparently had a Freddie at one of the two and Dodd got a sweatheart deal from a mortgage banker.

 

[JustChristian]

Whether true, as you believe, or false, as I believe, it has no real relevance to the discussion at hand. What Obama is doing is either right or wrong in on its own. I say it's completely wrong. He's playing on people's fears of the worse - their insecurity - to rush the passing of legislation that actually won't help most them but will build a huge empire for a lot of politicians and bureaucrats and will benefit a few free loaders who live off the wages the rest of us earn.

I believe that the danger of a depression caused by GW Bush's policies is real. Much more real than the phoney security alerts we have been subjected to for the last 4 years especially right before elections.

 

[OldRegular]

I believe that the danger of a depression caused by GW Bush's policies is real. Much more real than the phoney security alerts we have been subjected to for the last 4 years especially right before elections.

Just how many security briefings given to President Bush were you invited?

 

[LeBuick]

And it is really cheesy to try to make this out to be all about Republican obstructionism when far to many Democrats are not buying into this "stuff" for lack of a better and realistic term. And no economist believes this bill will immediately create jobs.

The other Dems just want adjustments to the current plan. Have some of the fat removed. The GOP wants to pass their own plan which is 100% tax cuts. So now the republican's are just delaying the process because they have no support for their 100% tax cut proposal. You can call it what you want, they are just in the way.

I would feel diferently if they picked out specific things in the current plan then negotiated to have them changed/removed. That's not what their doing, they want to pass their own plan. They knew that wasn't going to happen when the Dems put this thing together.

As for including th GOP when building the plan, why? We all know what they want. Tax cuts. Tax cuts will cure the common cold according to the GOP. So the Dems made 1/3 of the plan tax cuts and their still not happy because the cuts are aimed at the middle class and not at big business.

 

[LeBuick]

So explain to me how new sod for the capital, broader dsl coverage and STD education stimulates the economy. What jobs are in this?

Stop drinking the obama kool-aid and look at this bill for what it is 99.5 % waste!

Someone had to lay the sod. Someone has to string the fiber, upgrade the CO etc... However, it's like I said, the sod was removed from the bill long time ago yet it is still a GOP talking point. I'm not sure why it was removed if it is going to stay a talking point?

 

[Dragoon68]

I believe that the danger of a depression caused by GW Bush's policies is real. Much more real than the phoney security alerts we have been subjected to for the last 4 years especially right before elections.

I believe the danger of suffocating taxes from Obama's dirty deeds is very real. I also believe the loss of many important freedoms is very real. I also believe Obama is using the fear of personal economic suffering to generate public support for nothing more than the greatest federal government power grab and spending spree since the New Deal.

 

[JustChristian]

I thought America chose hope over fear in Obama? So why the fearmongering?

It's not fearmongering when there really is an economic crisis that has to be dealt with. It's called leadership. I realize we haven't seen any of that for 8 years but now we are thank goodness.

 

[Revmitchell]

The other Dems just want adjustments to the current plan. Have some of the fat removed. The GOP wants to pass their own plan which is 100% tax cuts. So now the republican's are just delaying the process because they have no support for their 100% tax cut proposal. You can call it what you want, they are just in the way.

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Do you just make this stuff up? Or do you let someone else do it for you?

 

[Dragoon68]

It's not fearmongering when there really is an economic crisis that has to be dealt with. It's called leadership. I realize we haven't seen any of that for 8 years but now we are thank goodness.

Hardly anyone denies there is an economic crisis! The argument is about how severe it is, what really caused it, and what needs to be done about it. Obama's solution is not leadership - it's using the crisis as a federal power grab and spending spree for all the pet programs the liberals have wanted for decades. The economic problems can be solved - and will only be solved - by the private sector. The government's involvement will only make it worse. In fact, their panic reaction is largely responsible for the increasing concern and slow down in individual spending. Further the problem started as a result of the government's stupid interference in the mortgage lending business. Given this track record, and that of the last big New Deal, why would anyone in their right mind think that more government spending is now the answer to our problems. Who's going to pay for this spending and redistribution of wealth? Who's going to fund the bailouts, credits, loans, etc. proposed to be made by Uncle Sam? Who pays the bills? We do! Obama isn't a leader - he's a con man for the liberals. People are waking up to that already but they should have known when they voted - or didn't - what they were getting. If we're in for hard times let it be so and pray the Lord will make us wiser and more thankful to Him for all with which we're blessed. Pray that He not permit us to become wards of socialist state to which we would become enslaved.

 

[LeBuick]

I believe the danger of suffocating taxes from Obama's dirty deeds is very real. I also believe the loss of many important freedoms is very real. I also believe Obama is using the fear of personal economic suffering to generate public support for nothing more than the greatest federal government power grab and spending spree since the New Deal.

There is enough people suffering that Obama doesn't have to use fear. Another 590K jobs lost last month, that is the nightmarish truth and not a scare tactic.

 

[LeBuick]

Do you just make this stuff up? Or do you let someone else do it for you?

Did you see the compromise they came up with today? Brought it down to $780 Billion. You see they just wanted some adjustments and not scrap the entire bill and opt for pure tax cuts.

The word tax cut is becoming the GOP joke. You scrape your knee, how about a tax cut? You lost your job and making no money, how about a tax cut?

 

[Dragoon68]

There is enough people suffering that Obama doesn't have to use fear. Another 590K jobs lost last month, that is the nightmarish truth and not a scare tactic.

Again, I say that most of the reason for the job loss is the government's own actions starting with the "affordable home ownership" push to high-risk mortgages and on-going now with the spreading of panic among people and their businesses that's causing them to cut back on spending thereby dropping demand thereby dropping the need for goods and services.

It would be better if Obama would keep his mouth shut and stop "warning" of dire consequences. It would have been better, in this regard, if Bush had done likewise.

It's foolish to think the answer can be found in even more government spending. The amounts being proposed are insane and the topics on which it's to be spend are ridiculous places to spend money if real economic growth is the objective. It will only put us deeper in debt and rob those with potential capital of their ability to invest in worthwhile projects.

The fact that there is a problem does not make government the answer to it. That, of course, is the opposite of what so many have come to believe. This despite generations of promises from politicians that they'll solve the problems of unemployment, recessions, depressions, and povetry. When will we learn?

 

[LeBuick]

Again, I say that most of the reason for the job loss is the government's own actions starting with the "affordable home ownership" push to high-risk mortgages and on-going now with the spreading of panic among people and their businesses that's causing them to cut back on spending thereby dropping demand thereby dropping the need for goods and services.

Why does it matter how we got here? The fact is we are here and need to do something to get from here. He doesn't have to spread panic, the people who are losing their homes and have nothing to eat are panicking without him saying one word. He is simply reminding the GOP what time of day it is.

You left out the fact that Bush cut taxes to death yet we are where we are. If tax cuts were the solution we wouldn't be here...

 

[just-want-peace]

Why does it matter how we got here?

If you truly believe this, then there is no hope that you will EVER grasp the reality of the socialism that you so actively pursue - knowingly or un-knowingly.

Considering your blind and unequivocal persistence to lay all ill on Bush, and all good on the big "O" I'm not sure you are aware of what you truly believe other than what the D party tells you to believe.

Pity, pity!!