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Preterism Proof
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The point is not "this generation." The point is the "you" ("ye").
Yes. These people. The Jews. The Jews would not all pass away before Christ comes again in Power and Great Glory and every eye shall see Him.
Saint of Circumstance
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Really?
Then How Did verses such as this apply to them, then?
3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. (Revelation 3:3)
The 1st century people who made up the Church of Sardis are the "you" in this passage are they not?
Did Jesus Come upon THEM "as a thief" as He promised?, or does this passage have no direct application to them and actually Only applies to some other peoples thousands of years removed?
Maybe you think Jesus was issuing an empty threat He had no intention of fulfilling for them?
I could keep guessing how you view this passage, but I don't know.. the only thing I do know is you do not believe the coming of Christ as a thief befell the fist century Church at Sardis the way the Glorified Christ, from Heaven, in this passage literally says it would. I have no idea how you bend and manipulate Revelation 3:3 to fit your view however.
Hopefully you'll enlighten us.
How was this passage directly applicable to the original receivers?
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Not a lie, just logical deduction. John Gill held to an interpretation you call Millerism.
No, he was referring to the early summer season time and when you see the appropriate seasonal events happenings. It was not "this generation" or he wouldn't have used something that hadn't presently happened yet.
HankD
How about just historical premil view?
The HEAVENLY events, maybe, but not the EARTHLY ones, eschatologically speaking.
Ok, then, please show us ***PROOF/DOCUMENTATION/EVIDENCE*** those events have already occurred! Shouldn't be too hard, as those are stupendous events, and history would not have missed them!
Yes, we all know J 7 the temple were destroyed, Christians are persecuted with decapitations, there's war & rumor of war, etc. What I'm talking about are the ESCHATOLOGICAL EVENTS, beginning with the doming to power of the "man of sin". Please show us some proof!
For the umpteenth time, PLEASE SHOW US SOME PROOF ! !
One of the "signs of the end" prophesied by Jesus is that "this Gospel" shall be preaches to the whole world. That's only NOW coming to pass. For several generations after the apostles all died, the Gospel was not introduced to the Orient, the Americas, the South Pacific including Australia & New Zealand, etc. And only NOW is it reaching parts of central South America, some of the Visayan Islands of the Phillipines, and parts of central Africa. remember, the same God that made us, made them also, & He cares as much for them as He does us.
No, your answer was wrong.
So, Rev. 13 & Rev. 19 aren't Scripture?
No, that's what preterists have.
We're not discussing Old testament events that have come and gone. We're discussing a series of events that OUR LORD & SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST prophesied would occursurrounding His physical return to earth as its Ruler. So far, His prophecies that've already been fulfilled have been fulfilled LITERALLY, TO THE LETTER, & there's no valid reason to believe the rest won't be fulfilled just-as-literally and exactly. Preterists say they already have been fulfilled, but HAVE NOT PRESENTED ONE QUARK OF PROOF to back up their statements.
Such proof is the ONLY way a preterist can make a case that his assertions are true. Otherwise, all he has is hot air.
During WW2, the people of Kyoto, Japan, among others in that nation, were issued a phonograph record that played the sound of American B-29 bombers flying overhead, along with a warning, "when *YOU* hear that sound in the sky, head for a bomb shelter immediately!" Well, Kyoto never heard that sound, as the Americans had decided to spare it, as it's the cultural and religious center of Japan. But the Japanese didn't know that til after the war. But the people of Kyoto were ready!
As Jesus knew His remaining time on earth as a man was almost over, He had to give His prophecy before He left And among other things He said before then was ,"Watch! Be ready!"
And WE should be ready as well. None of us are guaranteed to be here tomorrow.Whatever state we die in will be our state ETERNALLY. So, Jesus' words ring just as true for us as they did for those who first heard them & recorded them in writing.
Such an example occurred when Hezekiah showed Evil-Merodach of Babylon his wealth & that of the temple. Hez received a prophecy that all that wealth would be taken by Babylon, but that prophecy didn't apply to that generation. Hez died C. 687 BC while the Babs didn't attack til C. 605 BC.
Not to mention Jacob prophesied the coming of Shiloh(Jesus) on his deathbed. We can assume from the context that his sons were aware of the Shiloh prophecy before that time. While all the Hebrews, among others, watched for Shiloh, He didn't come til C. 2100 years after Jacob's time.
For all we know, someone of that church might've died suddenly & unexpectedly the very day he/she heard the message of the letter.
prophecy70
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You can't prove metaphorical language. Once you prove its literal language, then Ill prove it
- Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
- Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
- Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
You can't prove metaphorical language. Once you prove its literal language, then Ill prove it
Jesus' prophecies are NOT metaphorical language. That's the preterists' fave excuse for their lack of PROOF for their assertions.
Hmmmm..... See any PROOF the Gospel had been preached in Japan or Australia at that time? Seen any ancient pagodas in Jerusalem? Know of any ancient jews that lived in the Americas, japan, ot Australia?
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