Pro-vax and Anti-vax Totalitarianism

[JonC]

"The guilty always cry "innocent" the loudest."

"That, SGO, is what I have been pointing you towards."

Make it personal Jon why don't you?

Cut?

I am pointing out that some members will complain about abuses and insults yet remain silent when it comes from one of their own. It shows a lack of conviction and character.

Christians stand firmly.....not as reeds blowing in the wind. But when it comes to politics and Calvinism (perhaps a few other topics) you will see some Christians going along with what they would condemn if directed towards a member of their camp.

Do you believe that is a Christian trait?

We're I to call you insane do you believe that would be inappropriate?

You and I disagree on many things, but I would not allow that of directed towards you or any other member. Why? Because we have to be consistent. Character is not "going with the flow" but standing for what is right.

 

[JonC]

We are still waiting for you to provide evidence of your false accusations.

If there was evidence of your false claims you would post it.

I did.

Your posts prove that you want to persuade others against being vaccinated. You can't see this, I know. But I believe most members can.

 

[SGO]

I am pointing out that some members will complain about abuses and insults yet remain silent when it comes from one of their own. It shows a lack of conviction and character.

Christians stand firmly.....not as reeds blowing in the wind. But when it comes to politics and Calvinism (perhaps a few other topics) you will see some Christians going along with what they would condemn if directed towards a member of their camp.

Do you believe that is a Christian trait?

We're I to call you insane do you believe that would be inappropriate?

No pm for another public admonishment or am I just cannon fodder for the group of rebels?

Just don't call me late for dinner.

 

[xlsdraw]

"The guilty always cry "innocent" the loudest."

"That, SGO, is what I have been pointing you towards."

Make it personal Jon why don't you?

Cut?

I committed the cardinal sin on another thread. I told him he was wrong. His ego can't handle that. It has been repeated personal attacks ever since.

 

[xlsdraw]

I did.

Your posts prove that you want to persuade others against being vaccinated. You can't see this, I know. But I believe most members can.

Why is it only you that sees what is not there? It doesn't exist.

 

[SGO]

Well, thanks but we need to bear our own burdens.

I suppose I must on this forum, but do not like, having to bear mine.

What I do not think good is the editorial policy.

No illicit photo here in case you are looking for one.

 

[xlsdraw]

I am pointing out that some members will complain about abuses and insults yet remain silent when it comes from one of their own. It shows a lack of conviction and character.

Christians stand firmly.....not as reeds blowing in the wind. But when it comes to politics and Calvinism (perhaps a few other topics) you will see some Christians going along with what they would condemn if directed towards a member of their camp.

Do you believe that is a Christian trait?

We're I to call you insane do you believe that would be inappropriate?

You and I disagree on many things, but I would not allow that of directed towards you or any other member. Why? Because we have to be consistent. Character is not "going with the flow" but standing for what is right.

More personal attacks on BB members.

 

[SGO]

Not good to publicly denigrate a mod so strongly.
I speak from doing it myself.

 

[xlsdraw]

Not good to publicly denigrate a mod so strongly.
I speak from doing it myself.

Do you see what he sees?
I don't take personal attacks and false accusations well. And it's been going on for a couple of days.

 

[JonC]

Well, thanks but we need to bear our own burdens.

I absolutely agree.

People have not only tge right but the responsibility to make their own health decisions.

It is wrong for you, or anyone else, to try to persuade others to get or decline a vacvine or any other medical procedure. You are not qualified to advise others about their health. No member is qualified to tell another what vaccines they should or should not take.

 

[JonC]

I don't take personal attacks and false accusations well.

But you freely give them.

 

[xlsdraw]

But you freely give them.

Where is your evidence to support the O/P?

 

[SGO]

I absolutely agree.

People have not only tge right but the responsibility to make their own health decisions.

It is wrong for you, or anyone else, to try to persuade others to get or decline a vacvine or any other medical procedure. You are not qualified to advise others about their health. No member is qualified to tell another what vaccines they should or should not take.

Hey Jon, this is a debate forum where we all try to persuade.

 

[JonC]

Where is your evidence to support the O/P?

The op does not make arguments. I express my view that people should be free to decide for themselves whether to be vaccinated or not.

The pro-vax and anti-vax crews want to persuade others to their view.

But they are not qualified to do so.

It is an issue for the individual - not you or the pro-vaxers.

 

[JonC]

Not good to publicly denigrate a mod so strongly.
I speak from doing it myself.

Not good to denigrate any person. Christian know this (I'm sure you agree).

 

[JonC]

People should be able to make the decision to be vaccinated or not to be vaccinated. There should be no agendas trying to persuade them either way.

The individual should weigh the pros and vons, consider their own risks, and hopefully talk it over with their physician.

To try to persuade others to adopt your opinion of the vacvine for their health is wrong.

On this forum we have heard a lot from the anti-vaxers. They claim to be opposing pro-vaxers....but we have not had any pro-vax threads that I know of.

The funny thing is none of the anti-vaxers here are qualified to make a recommendation. None of the anti-vaxers are even qualified to discern which doctors are right and which are wrong.

Arguing against a pro-vax agenda to force vaccinations is just a smoke screen. It may be a legitimate issue - but it is a different issue. It does not qualify them to persuade any member in either direction.

My point? When reading the anti-vaxer comments consider the source.

 

[xlsdraw]

Not good to denigrate any person. Christian know this (I'm sure you agree).

You routinely do this.

 

[JonC]

You routinely do this.

So you believe my sin justifies yours?

It does not work that way, but the thought process may explain why you share tactics with the pro-vax crowd.

 

[JonC]

Hey Jon, this is a debate forum where we all try to persuade.

That is my point.

The virus should not be a debate. We should not be trying to win arguments at the expense of other people's lives.

That is why I have refused to be pro-vax or anti-vax. It is evil. This is not a game.

People need to make their own choices without the cloud of persuasion.

I am trying to persuade - but not to one direction or the other. I am trying to persuade people to ignore your (and the rest if the anti-vaxers) arguments as well as the pro-vaxer arguments and to make their own decisions (hopefully with the input of their physician who knows their circumstances).

I believe the pro-vax and anti-vax agendas are evil. These are unqualified people trying to make decisions for the whole.

 

[SGO]

That is my point.

The virus should not be a debate. We should not be trying to win arguments at the expense of other people's lives.

That is why I have refused to be pro-vax or anti-vax. It is evil. This is not a game.

People need to make their own choices without the cloud of persuasion.

Yeah that sounds good Jon but then why Vax facts sticky and the duo mod led thread Vaks Fax Debate?

The latter is encouraging debate and here to fish one needs de bait.