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Featured Propitiation do you know what it means?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Revmitchell, Feb 15, 2022.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    Jesus Christ is said in Isaiah to be wounded FOR which is ON BEHALF OF us

    How much clearer can it be??? :eek:
     
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    You cannot have a reasonable discussion with someone who lack a fundamental understanding and has presuppositions against what is clear in scripture. If you are wanting to have a discussion of what someone else position is that often work. If you are trying to demand submission to your position you are going to fail.

    I know it is there, you know it is there, and we have an understanding of the true character of God on this. Leave the keyboard warriors to themselves.
     
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    SBG, he just hears a verse and side steps it. A casual dismissal of anything said is not a debate point. I guess there isn't anything else to say.
     
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    Thanks for clarifying. I don't disagree with what you said here. I think it is mostly correct. Were I Baptist, I would fit the General Baptist camp, not the Particular. But I do not affirm the Mennonite aversion to oaths, or affirmation of pacifism. That's two areas of disagreement between the Mennonites and early General Baptists.
     
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    Then prove from the Bible what I have said from isaiah 53 to be wrong
     
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    Presuppositions??!! You mean like what you inherited from your Western-mindset ancestors, the ones who invented PSA.

    The God I worship would not torture, punish, and kill His Son to supposedly appease some kind of need in His character -- wrath, etc. Sounds more like a pagan god to me, or a god invented by a murderous lawyer.
     
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    Who is the HE?
     
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    You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying. I agree with you. Its there. Be careful not to react but read to understand
     
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    There isnt. Some folks just avoid dealing with passages they know prove otherwise and just say "it aint so". They are not interested in a conversation only being right.
     
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    I thought that you were agreeing but it must be the way you wrote it ;)
     
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    Hmmm.....let's see, in the post I said "I know it is there, you know it is there, and we have an understanding of the true character of God on this"
     
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    Pardon me sir
     
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    It Isaiah 53 explicitly teaches the penal subtitional atonement. And it is not theory.

    And that statement by itself is nothing more than unsubstantiated generalization.
     
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    Yeah, JonC is not alone in this...
     
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    yet more rubbish by those who cannot GRASP what the Bible really teaches on the Death of Jesus Christ! :eek:
     
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    My point is you believe it teaches Penal Substitution Theory but Penal Substitution Theory is not actually in the text of Isaiah 53 (or any Scripture).

    Since what you see as being taught in Isaiah is not in the text, what is your standard of testing doctrine (since it is impossible that it is Scripture)?

    How is your opinion about what Scripture "teaches" any different from what Jehovah Witnesses see as being "taught"?

    My point is we have to have a standard for doctrine. If it is not the Word of God, then what is it?????
     
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    I'll make you a deal.

    Rather than complaining about people dismissing opinions why not just present Scripture and put in bold where it states IN GOD'S WORD that Jesus suffered God's wrath so we would not.

    I don't want "but....but....that's what God wanted to write"....or "that's what it teaches".

    Scripture means what it says.
     
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    six hour warning
    This thread will be closed no sooner than 1130 pm EST / 830 pm PST
     
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    It means that Christ was wounded for our transgressions.

    Did you think God sent His Son to save Himself from His own sins?????!!!!!

    He bore OUR sins in His body. By His stripes WE are healed. He was made sin FOR US.

    You have a bad habit of pretending those who reject your additions to Scripture also reject Scripture.
     
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