Proverbs 23:31

grape juice

 

Is this saying Paul won none to Christ Jesus?

 

DHK, the word the KJV translates as 'bottle' in Mark 2:22 (and other places) is the Greek "askos" which means a pouch or container made of skin or the stomach of an animal". Therefore 'wineskin' is the better translation. In the meantime, wine still means wine and that is what will swell during fermentation and burst an old wineskin or, yes, even a weaker bottle. The fact that the KJV translators did not correctly translate the word does not mean that wine does not mean wine! That is a word we can check on.

In Habakkuk 2:15 the word the KJV translates as bottle is the Hebrew 'chemeth', meaning a skin or, by implication, 'tied up.'

And wine still means wine -- a fermented drink.


TinyTim, just leave the wine out. Most recipes are fine that way. At least try it, and if it seems a little bland, try a few different spices to pick it up.

 

I see. The KJV is good enough for Paul when speaking about wine.
But when speaking about "bottles" we leave our hypocrisy and bias behind, go to the Greek and Hebrew, and find out the true meaning of the word. Then we find out that "Bottle" doesn't always mean bottle, just as "wine" doesn't always mean wine.
DHK

 

This looks to be of "a medical emergency", and a last resort, else "beer" would most likely be out of the question if I understand you correctly. In this case I would not care who saw me, or what they may think I would use it for. The purpose is to help the child.

But we have example of our liberty and freedom in Christ for your wife to take solace in as Paul shows in suggesting to Timothy for all the world to see that it is OK for Timothy to drink wine for his stomach's sake. As this is not a sin, we cannot lay at the feet of Paul of him running rough shod over the weaker Christians. All Christians are to be aware it is the drunkard that sins, and not what they may eat or drink. But, of course we know a Pastor and his wife are held to standards beyond belief, and are often judged by those without understanding.

 

It doesn't take "rum" cake long to disappear

 

The world knows just enough to put some Christians at odds with His Word. Good to see another in the light that blows the fuse of the angel of light.

 

If one stumbles over this, then are they in the Body of Christ? They judge on works, which means they are of works and not faith that the Christian has freedom and liberty in Christ. Evidently some people do not avail themselves of what Christ offers them. They wrongly judge those in the Body. The sin is there's, when no sin has been committed.

I notice as you stumble, you are seeking more knowledge of His Word. Some of us are here to help. Won't you please see your error, giving praise and thanks as we worship Him, and enjoy blessing of the "corn and the wine" He gave to mankind.

Noah enjoyed the heck out of the gift "to make glad the heart of man". Noah was not a drunkard, but became drunk. Did Noah sin? He is not a drunkard, but he did become drunk, this man that found grace in the eyes of the Lord and justified by faith. This one man out of millions and perhaps billions of people on the earth believed his God, and God moved this man to this side of the great deluge. And after this man that God approves of makes blood sacrifice as all before we in this dispensation were to do, what does God do? He rewards this faithful servant with the gift of wine to make his heart glad, and Noah did one heck of a job of making his heart glad.

Is Noah going to the lake of fire for this? No way for Noah will endure until the end, and not as a drunkard, but one that enjoyed this "gift" of joy. Noah was evidently the first to enjoy the "fruit of the vine", and we don't know if he ever got drunk again. Perhaps he did and perhaps he didn't. The point is it is not a sin to drink wine. If you still believe so then you judge Melchizedek unfairly, as well as Abram.

My friend someone has you by the hand leading you in the wrong direction of judging the only man that God saw fit to save, and because of that man, seven other souls were brought to this side of the divide. Before the fork in the road we met with a "mystery King" that brings the gift of "food and wine" and gave to the "father of us all" Abram, for him and his men to eat the bread and imbibe the wine. Should this make one "stumble" in unbelief? Not in Christ it shouldn't, but sometimes we do "stumble" over our own feet, not caused by others. When we find the cause that we stumble, we then no long stumble, and are able to help others to walk in the light.

 

Are you referring to yourself or someone else?

Do you realize what you are saying? God that gives the "gift" of wine is evil? Is that the way he "appears" to you?

 

Gotta' get to bed.

Disprove by scripture and understaning what I posted please. Our words without backup are just our own thoughts, or what the world wishes us to believe.

 

His Blood Spoke My Name gives me a lesson in biology:

Don't need a zoologist. I have God's Word. I do not doubt His Word as many who claim to be His apparently do.

So do you believe that when a snake bites you (or a dragon, of course!), it poisons you with wine?

 

HBSMN said:

The thing is, that wine was not, nor could it have been fermented.

And Milton Friedman is a Communist, just one who believes in private property and a free market.

(See, you can say pretty much anything if you don't use words for what they actually mean.)

 

No! What you have said is your interpetation of God's Word and as such is no more valid than anyone else's interpetation.

There is only One Truth and His name is Jesus!

 

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