Proverbs 23:31

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I started to start another thread, but didn't want to... Don't you love BB! We get on one topic, and it gets worn out... I really love it!

Anyway, I was wondering if those who are for complete abstinence would be against cooking with wine?
What do you use as a substitute for wine in recipes?
Is cooking wine OK?

I am really interested...seriously. I don't drink, nor buy alcohol, but I love to cook, and some recipes I have never used, because I don't know what to substitute for the wine....

If I need to start another thread I will, but if somone could give me a quick answer I'd appreciate it.

grape juice

 

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The reason I do not drink wine is for the sake of the lost world. If I purchase,consume,sell or make any kind of alcoholic beverage,and a lost sinner knows about it I have just ruined my influence with him

Is this saying Paul won none to Christ Jesus?

 

[Helen]

DHK, the word the KJV translates as 'bottle' in Mark 2:22 (and other places) is the Greek "askos" which means a pouch or container made of skin or the stomach of an animal". Therefore 'wineskin' is the better translation. In the meantime, wine still means wine and that is what will swell during fermentation and burst an old wineskin or, yes, even a weaker bottle. The fact that the KJV translators did not correctly translate the word does not mean that wine does not mean wine! That is a word we can check on.

In Habakkuk 2:15 the word the KJV translates as bottle is the Hebrew 'chemeth', meaning a skin or, by implication, 'tied up.'

And wine still means wine -- a fermented drink.


TinyTim, just leave the wine out. Most recipes are fine that way. At least try it, and if it seems a little bland, try a few different spices to pick it up.

 

[DHK]

DHK, the word the KJV translates as 'bottle' in Mark 2:22 (and other places) is the Greek "askos" which means a pouch or container made of skin or the stomach of an animal". Therefore 'wineskin' is the better translation. In the meantime, wine still means wine and that is what will swell during fermentation and burst an old wineskin or, yes, even a weaker bottle. The fact that the KJV translators did not correctly translate the word does not mean that wine does not mean wine! That is a word we can check on.

In Habakkuk 2:15 the word the KJV translates as bottle is the Hebrew 'chemeth', meaning a skin or, by implication, 'tied up.'

And wine still means wine -- a fermented drink.

I see. The KJV is good enough for Paul when speaking about wine.
But when speaking about "bottles" we leave our hypocrisy and bias behind, go to the Greek and Hebrew, and find out the true meaning of the word. Then we find out that "Bottle" doesn't always mean bottle, just as "wine" doesn't always mean wine.
DHK

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

I think I can see another problem here. The wedding feast was a week-long celebration. People would come from great distances sometimes and because of a lack of planes, trains, and automobiles, they would be hosted for some time and not return the same day as the wedding.

Today there is still a remnant of that custom, as I found here:

In contrast to a non-Jewish custom, in which the bride and groom take off to some exotic honeymoon location, Jewish custom dictates that the couple begin their new life together in their community.
For seven consecutive evenings following the wedding, it is customary that friends or relatives host festive meals in their honor. The act of feasting recalls the "seven-day celebration" after the marriage of Jacob to Leah, while spending their days in prayer, learning Torah and performing mitzvos in order to give the "new house in Israel" a solid foundation in G-d's ways of holiness.
from http://www.jewish-history.com/minhag.htm

You may also be interested in the following regarding the historical setting of the wedding at Cana and its story in John 2:

Verse 3 presents a serious problem in the first century Jewish life. Jewish
weddings could last as long as one week so much wine was needed. Running out
of it was serious because it would bring shame to the bridegroom. It was so
serious that a law suit could result. The possibility of running out of wine is so
disturbing to Jesus’ mother that she says to her son, “They have no more wine”,
assuming that he can do something about this embarrassing problem.
from http://www.yorkminsterpark.com/teaching/pdf/The_First_Sign.pdf

You see, it was not a matter of everyone hanging around for one afternoon getting drunk or whatever. The wedding feast lasted a full week and the groom was expected to be able to provide for everyone for the entire week! Jesus probably created the wine toward the end of the week. It had nothing to do with people getting high or drunk, but with keeping the bridegroom out of legal trouble at the most and out of shame at the least. It was real wine. Grape juice would have been considered a travesty and a mockery of the wedding feast.

Not according to historians. Grape juice was considered better than alcohol.

Also, you are getting your info from a liberal jewish site, and not from the Word of God.

What you are speaking of is of jacob and Leah, who were well before Moses, and thus could not have been the celebration that is mentioned on that site.

Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible, and He came well after Jacob and Leah. Abraham and Issac and Jacob did not have the Law.

This site is speaking of tradition anyway, and not that which is written in the Word. Look thou not...

 

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"Sure will, M'am!!!"

I'd have given my arm to hear her explain why she needed that beer!!!!:laugh: :laugh:

This looks to be of "a medical emergency", and a last resort, else "beer" would most likely be out of the question if I understand you correctly. In this case I would not care who saw me, or what they may think I would use it for. The purpose is to help the child.

But we have example of our liberty and freedom in Christ for your wife to take solace in as Paul shows in suggesting to Timothy for all the world to see that it is OK for Timothy to drink wine for his stomach's sake. As this is not a sin, we cannot lay at the feet of Paul of him running rough shod over the weaker Christians. All Christians are to be aware it is the drunkard that sins, and not what they may eat or drink. But, of course we know a Pastor and his wife are held to standards beyond belief, and are often judged by those without understanding.

 

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I use amaretto when I make baked beans. The people at church still eat 'em.

It doesn't take "rum" cake long to disappear

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

God's Word says Abstain from all appearances of evil, so there is wrong if a pastor, pastor's wives, or any other christian buying beer. It weakens the testimony.

The sight of you buying one beer can cause many to stumble and become drunkards. It can cause many to turn from hearing the truth.

 

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Ya'll obviously don't live in my town! Here if you are seen with wine in your buggy, there WILL be someone to ask you what you are doing with it! We are a wet city in the middle of a dry county.

And when someone asks, I simply tell them what I'm going to use it for. Easy as pie. I've even gone to the ABC store to buy whiskey, cause T makes an incredible bread pudding with whisky sauce.

The reason folks think buying wine in unchristian is because the church has been to long associated with temperance even though there is no Biblical basis for such.

The world knows just enough to put some Christians at odds with His Word. Good to see another in the light that blows the fuse of the angel of light.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Methinks yer looking at an angel that appears as an angel of light but is not.

God's Word says Abstain from every appearance of evil. God's Word says we are not to have anything to do with that filthy drink. God's Word is final, whether you want to believe it or not!

 

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God's Word says Abstain from all appearances of evil, so there is wrong if a pastor, pastor's wives, or any other christian buying beer. It weakens the testimony.

The sight of you buying one beer can cause many to stumble and become drunkards. It can cause many to turn from hearing the truth.

If one stumbles over this, then are they in the Body of Christ? They judge on works, which means they are of works and not faith that the Christian has freedom and liberty in Christ. Evidently some people do not avail themselves of what Christ offers them. They wrongly judge those in the Body. The sin is there's, when no sin has been committed.

I notice as you stumble, you are seeking more knowledge of His Word. Some of us are here to help. Won't you please see your error, giving praise and thanks as we worship Him, and enjoy blessing of the "corn and the wine" He gave to mankind.

Noah enjoyed the heck out of the gift "to make glad the heart of man". Noah was not a drunkard, but became drunk. Did Noah sin? He is not a drunkard, but he did become drunk, this man that found grace in the eyes of the Lord and justified by faith. This one man out of millions and perhaps billions of people on the earth believed his God, and God moved this man to this side of the great deluge. And after this man that God approves of makes blood sacrifice as all before we in this dispensation were to do, what does God do? He rewards this faithful servant with the gift of wine to make his heart glad, and Noah did one heck of a job of making his heart glad.

Is Noah going to the lake of fire for this? No way for Noah will endure until the end, and not as a drunkard, but one that enjoyed this "gift" of joy. Noah was evidently the first to enjoy the "fruit of the vine", and we don't know if he ever got drunk again. Perhaps he did and perhaps he didn't. The point is it is not a sin to drink wine. If you still believe so then you judge Melchizedek unfairly, as well as Abram.

My friend someone has you by the hand leading you in the wrong direction of judging the only man that God saw fit to save, and because of that man, seven other souls were brought to this side of the divide. Before the fork in the road we met with a "mystery King" that brings the gift of "food and wine" and gave to the "father of us all" Abram, for him and his men to eat the bread and imbibe the wine. Should this make one "stumble" in unbelief? Not in Christ it shouldn't, but sometimes we do "stumble" over our own feet, not caused by others. When we find the cause that we stumble, we then no long stumble, and are able to help others to walk in the light.

 

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Methinks yer looking at an angel that appears as an angel of light but is not.

God's Word says Abstain from every appearance of evil. God's Word says we are not to have anything to do with that filthy drink. God's Word is final, whether you want to believe it or not!

Are you referring to yourself or someone else?

Do you realize what you are saying? God that gives the "gift" of wine is evil? Is that the way he "appears" to you?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Who in the world says I am stumbling. I am right on in the Word. We do have liberty in Christ, but we are not to use our Christian liberty as an opportunity to the flesh. We have liberty from sin, not to sin as so many are advocating on the board.

God's Word says no, we cannot disobey that command and think we are pleasing God in any way, shape, or form.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

And now, you say I am saying I call God evil because I stand on His Word that we are to abstain from every appearance of evil?

***Insult removed***

 

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Who in the world says I am stumbling. I am right on in the Word. We do have liberty in Christ, but we are not to use our Christian liberty as an opportunity to the flesh. We have liberty from sin, not to sin as so many are advocating on the board.

God's Word says no, we cannot disobey that command and think we are pleasing God in any way, shape, or form.

Gotta' get to bed.

Disprove by scripture and understaning what I posted please. Our words without backup are just our own thoughts, or what the world wishes us to believe.

 

[Ransom]

His Blood Spoke My Name gives me a lesson in biology:

Don't need a zoologist. I have God's Word. I do not doubt His Word as many who claim to be His apparently do.

So do you believe that when a snake bites you (or a dragon, of course!), it poisons you with wine?

 

[Ransom]

HBSMN said:

The thing is, that wine was not, nor could it have been fermented.

And Milton Friedman is a Communist, just one who believes in private property and a free market.

(See, you can say pretty much anything if you don't use words for what they actually mean.)

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Yes, Ransom, you can say most anything...

But all I have said lines up perfectly with God's Word and is therefore, truth.

 

[menageriekeeper]

But all I have said lines up perfectly with God's Word and is therefore, truth.

No! What you have said is your interpetation of God's Word and as such is no more valid than anyone else's interpetation.

There is only One Truth and His name is Jesus!

 

[blackbird]

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Bro. David