Proverbs 23:31

"The best kind of wine is that which is most pleasant to him who drinks it.
-- Pliny


"In wine there is health"
-- Pliny

 

You must remember, Wikipedia is information given by people anywhere.

Just like Bible commentaries.

The issue here is less about whether or not Jesus actually drank wine - and more about your ability to know that for certain when the Bible is not clear on it. When the Bible is not specific on something I will not presume to speak for God as if my word were inerrant. It seems to me that this is what you are doing - and that is why I find your posts so erroneous.

 

yer not looking with the intent to see what God is saying, yer looking with the natural eyes; the ones that see all wine today has some amount of alcohol.

You thus assert that anyone disagreeing with your interpretation is "unspiritual". Scripture is not open to private interpretation.

 

No, instead you are forbidding that which God didn't forbid! Isn't that what the Pharisees did?

When God wanted something forbidden He did so clearly so there was no doubt that man was NOT to it! Thou shalt not kill, is pretty clear, so is Thou shalt not commit adultry, covet your neighbors belongings, bear false witness against your neighbor or steal. And even clearer is thou shalt not have other gods before you.

Huh, when God wishes to be clear He is crystal clear. I wonder, since God did not clearly say, "thou shalt not drink any fermented beverages" if He might have expected us to use the intelligence that He endowed us with at creation along with the guideline of don't be a drunk to decide for ourselves, based on our individual circumstances, whether to drink alcohol and how much can be tolorated before crossing the line into becoming a drunkard?

Remember, Paul says we are free to do all things but all things are not expedient. If you said "I don't drink alcohol because I'm afraid my taking a drink might keep someone from the saving knowledge of Christ", I would support your view wholeheartedly. But you can't make the Bible say something that it doesn't, and the Bible doesn't say drinking alcohol is a sin.

BTW, you better go through your cabinets and toss all that cough syrup and vanilla flavoring cause one of the main ingredients of both is alcohol!

 

HBSMN, I just spent a little time checking something. As I write this, you have posted 445 times. Since this past mid-July, almost everything you have posted has been about alcoholic beverages! You did post that if anyone did not believe in hell he or she was not saved. You had a little computer trouble and you did post a joke in the humor section.

Other than that, and maybe one or two other posts, all you have done is to go on the rampage about wine in particular, followed closely by leavening in general.

Did you know there is more to the Christian faith than condemning others over a disputable point? You seem totally fixated on this subject and that cannot be good for your Christian walk.

I urge you to relax a bit, read the rest of the Bible, and spend time just loving the Lord and your siblings in Christ.

 

Please "untwist" Genesis 49:11, and Isaiah 63:2-6 for us. We need some help here if you believe they remain "twisted". I "untwisted", but not to your liking. What does your "insight" show these verses to mean? The Holy Spirit interprets for us as we divide His Word.

 

Helen;
You must have access to the moderators forum to be able to check all that out?

 

Brother Bob--Helen does not have access to any Moderator forum.

Bro. David

 

You know, any time someone makes a demand on my spiritual life based solely on ONE verse, I get a little suspicous. So lets take a nice long look at the context of Proverbs 23:31.

What is it really that Solomon is warning his son about? Going out partying. Go out for the purposes of getting drunk. He's not talking about having a glass of wine with supper. Solomon is warning his son about not being associated with the wrong crowd of people (foriegn women) who think nothing of being drunk all day and gives his son an example of what's going to happen if he does.

You know, I have to do this on an almost daily basis with my own children. It's not the alcohol I'm worried about, it the bad influence! Alcohol abuse doesn't come about by simply drinking a glass of wine with dinner. It comes from being with the wrong crowd of people who put their own selfish wants between themselves and God. Wine is the least of their problems!

I can hear Solomon telling his son, "You know, if you hang out with those foriegn women they're going to persuade you to do things you wouldn't normally do. They going to get you drunk. They're going to make you a drunkard and encourage you to drink so much that you'll wake up bruised and battered and not even knowing WHY you are. You're not going to even remember what you did that caused the bruises and then on top of that, you going to want more to drink! Stay away from those folks!"

And Solomon certainly knew what he was talking about! (think 1000 women that turned his heart from God)