Purgatory

[ParticularWife]

Purgatory is made up Catholic nonsense designed to terrify the unlearned into giving money to the church to ease the “suffering” of loved ones that have passed away. It is not taught in scripture, but is taught in pagan literature embrace by the RCC for that purpose.

It is a lie straight out of the mouth of Satan, given to Satan’s mouthpiece on earth (the pope) and his many demonic servants (paedo priests, bishops, cardinals)

Peace to you

I find this origin story for purgatory overly cynical. While I agree it lacks scriptural basis and likely arose from a desire to assuage human anxieties, its purpose is not entirely devoid of merit. The questions that drive it are one reason we need to communicate eternal justification.

The notion of a pre-Reformation "Roman Catholic Church" is inaccurate. Prior to the Reformation, Christianity existed primarily as a Western, semi-heterodox expression. The theological deviations introduced by this branch were significant. However, your characterization of this phenomenon mirrors secular critiques of religion in general.

Even if these doctrinal errors stem from sinful motivations and are perpetuated by institutions for self-serving reasons, they often address genuine human concerns. Catholics, acknowledging the possibility of losing salvation, naturally seek a theological framework that accommodates this anxiety. The concept of purgatory emerges as a potential solution to this existential dilemma.
John Piper - What Does the Bible Say About Purgatory?
Gavin Ortlund - Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective
James White - Purgatory Is Fiction

 

[ParticularWife]

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The same animus you guys seem to show Mary, is the same animus you display against the Catholic Church, there is a reason for this, and not a good one.

I don't have any problem with Mary, I have a problem with the Roman view on Mary. She was a human woman, all these beliefs about flying into heaven and being a perpetual virgin are superstitious nonsense.
While I'm opposed to the Roman Catholic Church as an institution, I don't believe the medieval church was the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is a heterodox (to be nice) schism from the church, which was reformed by men like Luther.
And I do believe some Catholics actually are Christians, but this is in spite of the RCC, not because of it.
My problem is with Catholicism, not Catholics.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't have any problem with Mary, I have a problem with the Roman view on Mary. She was a human woman, all these beliefs about flying into heaven and being a perpetual virgin are superstitious nonsense.
While I'm opposed to the Roman Catholic Church as an institution, I don't believe the medieval church was the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is a heterodox (to be nice) schism from the church, which was reformed by men like Luther.
And I do believe some Catholics actually are Christians, but this is in spite of the RCC, not because of it.
My problem is with Catholicism, not Catholics.

You go girl!

 

[Cathode]

It it the holy word of God that declares the RCC to be false.

Your additions to His word, your abuse of His word, the addition of your traditions, the addition of works for salvation, the addition of prayers to save people that have already died, the addition of your pope to replace Christ here on earth. that your priests can forgive sin, that you think mere men could dictate to God what is His Holy Word, that mary can intercede for you in heaven, that dead saints can do the same as her.

You have so many false doctrines in that system you could not even call it a church. That whole system is affront to God.

Your erroneous interpretations of Scripture condemn Catholic doctrine, the Scripture doesn’t.

Bible aloners don’t even agree among themselves as to interpretation and doctrine of scripture, let alone hold agreement with Mother Church.

 

[Silverhair]

Your erroneous interpretations of Scripture condemn Catholic doctrine, the Scripture doesn’t.

Bible aloners don’t even agree among themselves as to interpretation and doctrine of scripture, let alone hold agreement with Mother Church.

Your argument ring hollow when you use the doctrines of the RCC to support the teaching of the RCC. The bible does not support The RCC false doctrines. Your pope and councils have done that is just the RCC supporting the RCC. In other words no support at all.

You keep making your claims but have yet to provide any biblical support for them.

You obviously trust the RCC but I trust scripture. Your RCC is just another group that is making unfounded claims.

 

[JesusFan]

Your erroneous interpretations of Scripture condemn Catholic doctrine, the Scripture doesn’t.

Bible aloners don’t even agree among themselves as to interpretation and doctrine of scripture, let alone hold agreement with Mother Church.

The only so called "mother church" was founded at Pentecost, and is the body of all redeemed, regardless of the name upon their church building

 

[Cathode]

Your argument ring hollow when you use the doctrines of the RCC to support the teaching of the RCC. The bible does not support The RCC false doctrines. Your pope and councils have done that is just the RCC supporting the RCC. In other words no support at all.

You keep making your claims but have yet to provide any biblical support for them.

You obviously trust the RCC but I trust scripture. Your RCC is just another group that is making unfounded claims.

Whilst Protestants look to their subjective interpretations of scripture to confirm their conflicting doctrines, the Catholic Church supports the very Bible itself.

The Catholic Church is the Mother of the Bible, the Word of God was conceived in her womb by The Holy Spirit through the inspired preachers and authors.
Carried and protected through persecution by the Catholic Church and birthed and presented to world at Catholic Councils from 382 Ad onwards.

1100 years the Bible remained the same 73 books, even the KJV had 73 books up to the 1800s.
Luther on his own authority threw out of his personal bible revelation, James, and Hebrews along with the Old Testament writings we talk about.
Not only did he try to make the Holy word of God subordinate to each mans opinion by private interpretations.
He believed he could decide what books were canonical, as if it was a matter of his opinion. Not only did he believe he could decide what scripture meant, he also threw out books that disagreed with the theology he decided it meant.

Luther founded the supremacy of human opinion, and many human opinion founded churches followed, each man bringing his own heart felt heresy to life like Frankenstein’s monster Each man convinced he is the sole Holy Spirit guided oracle to interpret what scripture means, but also what books he will accept in the bible.
All Protestantism has done is butcher and misinterpret the Bible, muddying the clear objective truth for millions by subjective human interpretations and doctrines.

Protestantism was corruption from its inception, “what scripture means to you” is the whole of the Law, not the Truth of Scripture, not objective meaning. It’s first victim was truth.

Don’t like purgatory? Just interpret what you want from scripture.

Don’t like the Eucharist? Just interpret what you want from scripture.

First came the denials of true interpretation and doctrine in Protestantism, then for every interpretation and doctrine they assert, there was an opposing interpretation and doctrine.
Every wind of doctrine can be found in Bible alonism, up to and including Jesus is a Spaceman.

 

[JesusFan]

Whilst Protestants look to their subjective interpretations of scripture to confirm their conflicting doctrines, the Catholic Church supports the very Bible itself.

The Catholic Church is the Mother of the Bible, the Word of God was conceived in her womb by The Holy Spirit through the inspired preachers and authors.
Carried and protected through persecution by the Catholic Church and birthed and presented to world at Catholic Councils from 382 Ad onwards.

1100 years the Bible remained the same 73 books, even the KJV had 73 books up to the 1800s.
Luther on his own authority threw out of his personal bible revelation, James, and Hebrews along with the Old Testament writings we talk about.
Not only did he try to make the Holy word of God subordinate to each mans opinion by private interpretations.
He believed he could decide what books were canonical, as if it was a matter of his opinion. Not only did he believe he could decide what scripture meant, he also threw out books that disagreed with the theology he decided it meant.

Luther founded the supremacy of human opinion, and many human opinion founded churches followed, each man bringing his own heart felt heresy to life like Frankenstein’s monster Each man convinced he is the sole Holy Spirit guided oracle to interpret what scripture means, but also what books he will accept in the bible.
All Protestantism has done is butcher and misinterpret the Bible, muddying the clear objective truth for millions by subjective human interpretations and doctrines.

Protestantism was corruption from its inception, “what scripture means to you” is the whole of the Law, not the Truth of Scripture, not objective meaning. It’s first victim was truth.

Don’t like purgatory? Just interpret what you want from scripture.

Don’t like the Eucharist? Just interpret what you want from scripture.

First came the denials of true interpretation and doctrine in Protestantism, then for every interpretation and doctrine they assert, there was an opposing interpretation and doctrine.
Every wind of doctrine can be found in Bible alonism, up to and including Jesus is a Spaceman.

Until Rome, only 66 canon inspired bible were officially recognized, and Rome had to add in those extra as canon books did not support much of their theology at all..

And there was no official catholic church until the papacy, centuries after found of the true Church at Pentecost, and Rome apostasy itself at Council of Trent, when she officially rendered verdict on Pauline Justification of the Reformation as null and void!

 

[Scarlett O.]

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