Question women and dresses

[Petrel]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
I thought YOU were upset with the usage of fag...btw, whore is a Bible word too. I remember a preacher once in a church we visited who claimed he couldn't preach from the kjBible because of some the words "offending" the people. Puh-leeze!

I can think of several other instances in the Bible with vulgarity that would not be appropriate in general conversation!

Just because a word occurs in the Bible does not mean we're excused in using it whenever we like.

 

[GrannyGumbo]

You do it your way Patrick and I'll do it God's way, 'k?

What on earth, Johnv...oh wait, perhaps ya haven't come back down to earth, yet, eh? (joking)

 

[Rachel]

Be ye fishers of men -- you catch them & He will clean them.

What do you think?

 

[LarryN]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
I thought YOU were upset with the usage of fag...btw, whore is a Bible word too. I remember a preacher once in a church we visited who claimed he couldn't preach from the kjBible because of some the words "offending" the people. Puh-leeze!

I dunno. There are words in both the KJV (and some other BVs as well) which have become unwelcome in general usage in polite company.

Granny, if your grand-young'uns walked into the house and announced "I need to p***" (see 2 Kings 18:27 in the KJV), I'd reckon you'd have a thing or two to say to them. Likewise, if one of them called another child "You b******" (see Zech. 9:6 in the KJV)- regardless of how technically correct they may be in using the word in regards to the term's dictionary definition- you'd probably provide some "correction" also!

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
What on earth, Johnv...oh wait, perhaps ya haven't come back down to earth, yet, eh? (joking)

That's nice. Be rude to me instead of responding. I'll try this again, just in case you missed it:

It is not appropriate for me to refer to you as a pain in the a** just because that word is in the Bible. Do you agree or not?

In scripture, the word "sodomite" does not refer to a homosexual. Do you agree or not?

Kindly try to respond to these asked of you, without your condescending attitude this time.

 

[Dina]

Am I getting this right, "fag" is in the Bible?

 

[GrannyGumbo]

Johnv, what is your definition of a homosexual?

 

[Petrel]

Originally posted by Dina:
Am I getting this right, "fag" is in the Bible?

Not per se.

The word "firebrand" occurs in the Bible in a verse referring to Sodom and Gomorrah, Amos 4:11 (I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD.) According to an 1828 dictionary, firebrand is a synonym for faggot. Therefore when GrannyGumbo uses the word "fag" or "faggot," she's not using it in the modern terminology as a vulgar term for a homosexual, but in the picturesque sense that they all should be torched by fire and brimstone for their sins.

The original post is at the bottom of page 7 if you don't believe me.

 

[Songbird]

Ok, let's re-focus.

When my dh (before we were married) would tell me about his former pastor preaching against pants, I would ask, "how many got saved b/c of his sermon?" No one. Because those sermons focused on the external, temporary stuff. Yes, I believe we need to dress appropriately. And no, I wouldn't wear a bathing suit to church. But I would to a pool party.

And for the people wearing shorts to church in Hawaii--who cares! Y'all would probably be shocked to hear about the SB church our missions team attended while they were in Hawaii. There were women there who did a hula during worship. <gasp>. The man that told us that story was deeply touched by their ministry and he's in his 70's and an extremely conservative man.

I have a pastor friend who wears a T-shirt to preach in on Wed. nites.

Maybe, it's b/c I lived in California and was a (another gasp) pentecostal--but I am more concerned about someone's spiritual condition than their wardrobe.

Let's see someone put it this way that as fishers of men our job is to "catch them" and God's job to "clean them."

I believe as Christians we need to set the example, but not turn someone away b-c of how they are dressed. When they come to the Lord, I have found that the outward appearance does change somewhat.

So, we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Dina]

Ok. Thanks for the explanation.

Now for another qustion:

Then according to what you are saying the synonym of firebrand refers to twigs and sticks, not homosexuals?
Unless I am mistaken, that paticular word was not associated with homosexuals until much later than 1828.

 

[MargoWriter]

"ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning"

Would that not refer, then, to Lot? I'm thinking it would be kind of a misunderstanding to refer ot hte homosexulas as firefrands/faggots, since this verse, I think, calls Lot a firebrand (plucked out) ... of course that indicates that there were firebrands left in ... but anyway ...

I personally don't use any term other than homosexual--and I don't even like using that.

 

[MargoWriter]

Originally posted by Songbird:

So, we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

Yup.

Growing up, we girls wore dresses to church every time we went-- I still generally do, though will wear pants to an occasion such as a church supper.

There were ladies in my church who wore pants every time they went.

And there were ladies who wore either or. And ladies who always wore hose, and ones who never did.

Personal convictions. And if we're talking about "what pertains to a man," how does a collared shirt factor in? There is a line, and you have to draw it for yourself ... unless you want everyone going around in Biblical garb again.

 

[Dina]

Originally posted by Dina:
"By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

John 13:35

Perhaps I should expand on this:
I do not see it saying that all men will know we are His disciples, if we wear/don't wear________

 

[James_Newman]

1 Kings 14:24
24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Mathew Henry believed this spoke of homosexuals:

(2.) They were given up to vile affections (as those idolaters Rom_1:26, Rom_1:27), for there were sodomites in the land (1Ki_14:24), men with men working that which is unseemly, and not to be thought of, much less mentioned, without abhorrence and indignation. They dishonoured God by one sin and then God left them to dishonour themselves by another. They profaned the privileges of a holy nation, therefore God gave them up to their own hearts' lusts, to imitate the abominations of the accursed Canaanites; and herein the Lord was righteous. And, when they did like those that were cast out, how could they expect any other than to be cast out like them?

 

[Petrel]

I hope someone with more resources can answer this. Most of the other versions I read translate this word as "male shrine prostitutes" or "male cult prostitutes." I think that the translation "sodomite" is just indicative of the common use of this word for homosexuals during the time they translated the KJV, and this is not a literal translation of the Hebrew word.

 

[Songbird]

Another thing that may hinder a woman from wearing pants to church is like someone mentioned --health reasons--very bad veins--and other stuff. And if I lived in an extremely cold climate I might at least wear sweats under my dress lol if not some warm pants. Why should only men be warm and comfy. lol

 

[Blood Bought 7]

Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
Around here, they are called 'fag pants'... I'm disgusted seeing mamas dressed like whores.

I don't belittle your opinion, but I think your use of inappropriate language is a little uncalled for. It's a bit distrubing when you complain about America, yet you, a granny nonetheless, use inappropriate language. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still trying to see the inapropriate language since the word "fag pants" is in referance to what they are called and a whore is a whore

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by GrannyGumbo:
Johnv, what is your definition of a homosexual?

A person who has sexual relations with a person of the same gender.

Now kindly reply:

It is not appropriate for me to refer to you as a pain in the a** just because that word is in the Bible. Do you agree or not?

In scripture, the word "sodomite" does not refer to a homosexual. Do you agree or not?

 

[GrannyGumbo]

Thank you, BB7, and God bless.

 

[Petrel]

Originally posted by Blood Bought 7:
I'm still trying to see the inapropriate language since the word "fag pants" is in referance to what they are called and a whore is a whore

And to think I got criticized for saying the word "troll" might be an accurate descriptor!