Quotes from Ellen White - You Decide

[One Baptism]

She might be your sister, but she isn't mine.

Are you, by flesh, of the lineage of Adam and Noah? She is, and so am I, as is Christ Jesus. She is your 'sister' [in man-kind] one way or another, either in Adam the second or in Adam the first. Your choice, but I do warn you:

1 John 4:20 KJB - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1 John 4:21 KJB - And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.​

Are you plainly stating that she was not Christian, even after all of the context cited to you?

 

[thatbrian]

Are you, by flesh, of the lineage of Adam and Noah? She is, and so am I, as is Christ Jesus. She is your 'sister' [in man-kind] one way or another, either in Adam the second or in Adam the first. Your choice, but I do warn you:

1 John 4:20 KJB - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

1 John 4:21 KJB - And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.​

Are you plainly stating that she was not Christian, even after all of the context cited to you?

She was not only not a Christian, but a devil, and the Devil's offspring are not on my Christmas card list.

Those warnings are regarding "brothers" or "brethren". Take a peak at what the NT says we are to do with false teachers.

 

[JonShaff]

Going from sister White quotes to your anti-nominian [lawlessness, which is sin 1 John 3:4 KJB] view is a bait and switch of the OP.

Jesus Christ is the perfect man, being the econd and last Adam, and he indeed obeyed the Law, and was sinless [ie transgressed not in a single precept], in thought, word or deed] as it is written:

John 15:10 KJB - If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Romans 9:30 KJB -What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith

Romans 9:31 KJB -But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Romans 9:32 KJB -Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 3:21 KJB - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
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The Law is never enough. Which is why the Law [Exodus 20:1-17 KJB] begins with God's mercy and salvation, read it:

Exodus 20:1 KJB - And God spake all these words, saying

Exodus 20:2 KJB - I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
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That is mercy/grace ... then followed by obedience in love, by strength given of God to accomplish what He says ...

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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In Exodus, it was the Lamb slain, then taken to the Law, and taken to the sanctuary, etc, etc.

Christ is not the second and last Adam.

He is the Last adam, Second man.

 

[One Baptism]

Christ is not the second and last Adam.

He is the Last adam, Second man.

Wow. Really? Who was the first "man"?

 

[JonShaff]

Wow. Really? Who was the first "man"?

You said Jesus Christ is the "Second and Last Adam."

That's not what the Bible says.

The Bible Says:
Jesus Christ is the Last Adam; Second man.

 

[One Baptism]

You said Jesus Christ is the "Second and Last Adam."

That's not what the Bible says.

The Bible Says:
Jesus Christ is the Last Adam; Second man.

Yes it does in context, and I am not the only one who sees it, but if you want to argue, you will have to do so by yourself:

"... to all believers, to all the second Adam's posterity; ..." - John Gill, Notation on 2 Corinthians 3:9

"... As Adam was the first general representative of men, Christ was the second and the last. ..." - John Wesley, Notation on 1 Corinthians 15:47

"... But by many commentators the words are understood to refer to Adam and Christ, in 1Co_15:46-49. By these, Christ is called the second Adam ..." - 1 Corinthians 15:49

"... The first man and the second man of this verse are the same as the first Adam and the second Adam of 1Co_15:45 ..." - Adam Clarke, Notation on 1 Corinthians 15:47

"... The Son of man. It is the name by which the Lord ordinarily designates himself as the Messiah--the Son of God manifested in the flesh of Adam; the second Adam. ..." - B. W. Johns, Notation on Matthew 8:20

"... This is a great mystery. The wonders of this marriage tie, but especially that the marriage of the first Adam should prefigure the relation between the second Adam and the church. ..." - B. W. Johns, Notation on Ephesians 5:31-33

"... From some aspects this was the highest point in our Savior’s earthly career. He was the second Adam and had not sinned. ..." - F. B. Meyer, Notation on Luke 9:28-36
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etc.

 

[One Baptism]

OP topic please.

 

[thatbrian]

The Cult of Ellen G White

 

[JonShaff]

Yes it does in context, and I am not the only one who sees it, but if you want to argue, you will have to do so by yourself:

"... to all believers, to all the second Adam's posterity; ..." - John Gill, Notation on 2 Corinthians 3:9

"... As Adam was the first general representative of men, Christ was the second and the last. ..." - John Wesley, Notation on 1 Corinthians 15:47

"... But by many commentators the words are understood to refer to Adam and Christ, in 1Co_15:46-49. By these, Christ is called the second Adam ..." - 1 Corinthians 15:49

"... The first man and the second man of this verse are the same as the first Adam and the second Adam of 1Co_15:45 ..." - Adam Clarke, Notation on 1 Corinthians 15:47

"... The Son of man. It is the name by which the Lord ordinarily designates himself as the Messiah--the Son of God manifested in the flesh of Adam; the second Adam. ..." - B. W. Johns, Notation on Matthew 8:20

"... This is a great mystery. The wonders of this marriage tie, but especially that the marriage of the first Adam should prefigure the relation between the second Adam and the church. ..." - B. W. Johns, Notation on Ephesians 5:31-33

"... From some aspects this was the highest point in our Savior’s earthly career. He was the second Adam and had not sinned. ..." - F. B. Meyer, Notation on Luke 9:28-36
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etc.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

I'm just stating what Scripture says. What's there to argue?

 

[One Baptism]

The Cult of Ellen G White
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Brother, I have not only watched that [probably a few times], and many, many others, and can demonstrate the foolishness in each. They are simply regurgitated arguments long since shown to be what they are ... vanity. Sadly, many will refuse to simply go read the material for themselves, or to ask hard questions of such presenters.

Go ahead. Watch it. Let me know when you or anyone wants to discuss the Ellen White quotes therein, here. Give time index please from beginning to ending of segment they would like to consider.

 

[thatbrian]

Brother, I have not only watched that [probably a few times], and many, many others, and can demonstrate the foolishness in each. They are simply regurgitated arguments long since shown to be what they are ... vanity. Sadly, many will refuse to simply go read the material for themselves, or to ask hard questions of such presenters.

Go ahead. Watch it. Let me know when you or anyone wants to discuss the Ellen White quotes therein, here. Give time index please from beginning to ending of segment they would like to consider.

You must have confused me for one of your cult members. Let me be clear, I am not your brother.

 

[One Baptism]

You must have confused me for a cult member. I am not your brother.

Not at all. I am simply and kindly treating you as a member of man-kind, a brother in humanity, but if you prefer to remain in the man-unkind, that is your prerogative, and has no bearing upon my own relation towards you. For God so loved the world ...

 

[thatbrian]

Not at all. I am simply and kindly treating you as a member of man-kind, a brother in humanity, but if you prefer to remain in the man-unkind, that is your prerogative, and has no bearing upon my own relation towards you. For God so loved the world ...

Like the Apostle Paul, I have no kind words for those who attempt to confuse the minds of the elect. God does not love false prophets or those who spew their lies. (Scriptural) references upon request.

 

[One Baptism]

I will now be leaving this thread, until further sister White quotations come up for context, and discussion.

 

[thatbrian]

"But, according to the unerring word of God, every man will be judged and rewarded according as his works have been, and we are admonished to so speak and to so do as 'they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.' When sin has been repented of, confessed, and forsaken, then pardon is written against the sinner's name; BUT HIS SINS ARE NOT BLOTTED OUT UNTIL AFTER THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT." - Ellen G White

 

[thatbrian]

"I then saw Brother Edson that he must gird on the whole armor and stand in readiness to go, for a journey was before him, and that souls needed help and that JESUS' WORK WAS ALMOST FINISHED IN THE SANCTUARY..." Ellen G White

 

[thatbrian]

Here's a good one:

"You should be teaching your children. You should be instructing them how to shun the vices and corruption's of this age. Instead of this, many are studying how to get something good to eat. You place upon your tables butter, eggs, and meat and then your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that will excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do your prayers go?" (Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 362, 1870)

 

[BobRyan]

Here's a good one:
"You should be teaching your children. You should be instructing them how to shun the vices and corruption's of this age.

I assume you are going to address something like the Bible or doctrine... given a long enough time for us to 'wait for it'

 

[One Baptism]

"But, according to the unerring word of God, every man will be judged and rewarded according as his works have been, and we are admonished to so speak and to so do as 'they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.' When sin has been repented of, confessed, and forsaken, then pardon is written against the sinner's name; BUT HIS SINS ARE NOT BLOTTED OUT UNTIL AFTER THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT." - Ellen G White

Taken from

Signs of the Times, May 16, 1895; The Whole Duty of Man - The Signs of the Times -- Ellen G. White Writings

"I then saw Brother Edson that he must gird on the whole armor and stand in readiness to go, for a journey was before him, and that souls needed help and that JESUS' WORK WAS ALMOST FINISHED IN THE SANCTUARY..." Ellen G White

Taken from:

MS (Manuscript) 7, August 24, 1850, A Vision the Lord Gave Me at Brother Harris' - Ms 7, 1850 -- Ellen G. White Writings

Sin that is "covered" [by the blood] is still on record, still remains to be finally eradicated. Sins "blotted out" are no longer on record, are gone permanently, and no longer need to be "covered". The victory is won. "Covered" [forgiven sins], is not the same as "Blotted out" sins. I have had several posts on this now in the past, do you need me to re post that evidence from scripture [KJB] for you, for if you do, I will, in love and in patience.

The problem is not with sister White, again, but you have the issue with scripture [KJB] itself, which, as having demonstrated before, teaches the 'investigative judgment', and in fact teaches several phases of the Judgment - Seventh-day Adventists continued...

... to be continued ...

 

[BobRyan]

"I then saw Brother Edson that he must gird on the whole armor and stand in readiness to go, for a journey was before him, and that souls needed help and that JESUS' WORK WAS ALMOST FINISHED IN THE SANCTUARY..." Ellen G White

Rev 22
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

More Bible - less upper case emotionalism please