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Quotes from Ellen White - You Decide

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JonShaff

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BobRyan said:
My arguments here are not meant to be the basis for "ok Ellen White was a prophet" -- I am simply going over principles - how prophecy works according to the Bible - giving some examples to explain the point etc.

But the first step would be to evaluate the doctrinal claims that the person says God is endorsing -- because God can never be in error - so that doctrine has to be in harmony with the Bible for them to be a true prophet.

So far we have not gone through all that doctrine on this thread - so at this point the exercise is just to go over the topic of prophecy in general and using quotes from Ellen White (since that is the title for this thread set by someone else - not me).
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If Ellen White was proven to be totally false, and you were convinced of it, would you still Be a SDA?
 
BobRyan

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One Baptism said:
As for personal matters of various meetings, persons, etc, shown to sister White, I would basically agree with brother Bob, though as an addition to the thought, types of those things are found in scripture [KJB], for instance, Ezekiel being shown what went on in the Temple, .
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agreed. But the non-SDAs here are probably first questioning every detail - every account of every meeting and every word spoken in that chapter as quoted - because it is not a common event to have someone claim to have a vision about some event in the past or future -- and then go through the exercise of "how do I know that is real -- what is the test"
 
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One Baptism said:
For all involved here, brother Bob and I basically agree here. I, personally, was only referencing the 'vision' of the Story of Redemption, and the events therein can be found in scripture [KJB].

He may still disagree with me here, but again, I ask for consideration of our differing experiences.

As for personal matters of various meetings, persons, etc, shown to sister White, I would basically agree with brother Bob, though as an addition to the thought, types of those things are found in scripture [KJB], for instance, Ezekiel being shown what went on in the Temple, Elisha knowing what went on in the opposing Kings chambers, Nathan the prophet knowing what King David did, and so on. And we all know there is nothing new under the sun, and history repeats, even in the lives of those today, from those of the past, hence how could those things be written for our admonition, learning, instruction, reproof, etc.
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Whatever God had to say to us regarding those historical events would be in the Bible itself, PERIOD...
 
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BobRyan said:
agreed. But the non-SDAs here are probably first questioning every detail - every account of every meeting and every word spoken in that chapter as quoted - because it is not a common event to have someone claim to have a vision about some event in the past or future -- and then go through the exercise of "how do I know that is real -- what is the test"
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We all would deny that EW was a modern day prophetess, as her theology and viewpoints disagree with inspired scripture!
 
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JonC said:
Thanks for your kind replies. In the future I may look into such things, but even the "orthodox" (mainstream...what I believe) of Satan's fall is not something I'm studying at this time. There's just so little time.

@BobRyan 's quote just caught my eye and my curiosity. We have one small SDA church in my city and I do not know anyone of that faith. While I find the doctrine I've read to be problematic, I do not see such disagreement as a cause to be unkind. Additionally, I am not familiar enough to enter a meaningful discussion of SDA doctrine.
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The Sda denies the suffiency of the Bible, as God added inspired teaching thru Ellen White
See themselves as being the true remnant church
Deny eternal hell, eternal life
Hold to must keep the Sabbath or else take Mark of Beast
Deny etrnal security, as one can believe in jesus, but fail test after life and lose it all
that seems to be non Bilbical to me!
 
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JonShaff said:
If Ellen White was proven to be totally false, and you were convinced of it, would you still Be a SDA?
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It would be impossible for me to be Seventh-day Adventist if she were indeed proved to be a false prophet, but I have never, in all my experience, seen such evidence [and not for lack of anyone trying either, on their part or my own]. I have watched many anti-EGW, Seventh-day Adventist materials, read many ex-SDA articles, websites, and frankly they all fall far short of reality, truth, but I am open to evidences, discussion where I have not encountered a person before.

I was born and raised into Roman Catholicism, and when the Holy Spirit was working upon me, I was inclinded to Baptist [I had a Russian Baptist friend, a good brother really, and they have a pretty good creation message, which is what God first used to get me to think] until he [Russian friend] handed me 85 things sabbatarians [supposedly] cannot answer, after a prayer unto God to know the truth of the matter, and it was through study of those questions, that I came to know that they all have biblically based answers. Back then I was still using my old Roman Catholic Bible, NAB, St. Josephs Ed. I still have some of my old notes from those days, wow, was I ever rough. Hahahaaa... That very list clinched it for me.
 
thatbrian

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Yeshua1 said:
The Sda denies the suffiency of the Bible, as God added inspired teaching thru Ellen White
See themselves as being the true remnant church
Deny eternal hell, eternal life
Hold to must keep the Sabbath or else take Mark of Beast
Deny etrnal security, as one can believe in jesus, but fail test after life and lose it all
that seems to be non Bilbical to me!
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That's obvious to us, but they have obviously fooled many into thinking that they are benign when they are more deadly than malignant melanoma.
 
JonC

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JonShaff said:
Yea, i'm trying to process this.
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I think that the key here is the context in which one is expected to treat them as "another denomination". Is it in the context of a local church? A Baptist church should view itself as being correct in doctrine and those who oppose its doctrine as being false. Is it in the context of Christianity in general? If so, then this also depends on whether or not one views their doctrine to be too far removed to qualify.

But.....Is it in the context of an online forum where they are granted the status as "another denomination" for the purpose of discussion? This context is different. One does not have to accept the belief of the other, but in terms of such a forum both can equally express their positions with equal status (the owner of the forum determining what groups will be excluded from discussion).
 
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JonC said:
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But.....Is it in the context of an online forum where they are granted the status as "another denomination" for the purpose of discussion? This context is different. One does not have to accept the belief of the other, but in terms of such a forum both can equally express their positions with equal status (the owner of the forum determining what groups will be excluded from discussion).
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Perhaps we can start a discussion on Islam. I have great material on them, from their own sources.
 
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One Baptism said:
The Bible [KJB] says, "To the law and to the testimony ...", two things, not one. The "testimony" is the "spirit of prophecy". The "Law" and the "prophets" [all whom God sends].
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The scriptures rest upon Jesus Himself, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of prophecy, not Ellen White!
 
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