Thank you for that wonderful example of futurist out-of-context proof-texting. In verse 16, he says "but THIS is.." The "this" was everything that was happening in the preceding 15 verses. Let's try reading verse 15 & 16 as though they were actually meant to be one continuous thought & message.
There is nothing in Acts 2 that shows that ALL of Joel 2 was fulfilled on the day of Pentacost. When Peter said "but THIS" this what? Were there pillars of smoke and fire? Did the moon turn to blood and the sun become darkened as described in Revelation 8? Did the REMNANT of Israel get saved according to verse 32?
It is obvious that Peter mentioned the part of Joel 2 that WAS fulfilled, and not saying that ALL of it was fulfilled. Christ quoted Scripture the same way (I'll explain below).
"For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day but this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel"
Wow! Did you see that?! When kept in context with the rest of the passage, the object of verse 16 is made as crystal clear. Want to see something else really cool? The passage says that God would pour out His Spirit on their sons & daughters so that they would all prophecy. And wouldn't you know it? That's exactly what happened in the First Century Church.
Wow! Have you ever read Luke 4:17-21?
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21 And he began to say unto them,
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Now look at the verse he quoted in Isaiah 61:1,
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;"
NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING IN LUKE!!
Jesus did not quote the ENTIRE prophecy and even separated it IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VERSE, and yet said "this day IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED", and yet only half of it was fulfilled. HE LEFT OUT THE REST THAT IS YET FUTURE EXACTLY as Peter did in Acts 2.
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy" (Acts 21:9)
"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets" (1 Cor 12:28)
Is this another case of the God messing up another time statement(according to futurists)? When He said that He has set prophets in the Church, surely what He really meant to say was "will set prophets in the Church after the rapture"...oh, wait, that can't be right. How can the church prophecy on earth if they're no longer here? Too bad we don't have a record of any time in the past where His Spirit was poured out on mankind, children prophesied, & great signs & wonders were performed by the Church; just as was prophecied. Man, I hope God didn't get His time statement wrong & that Luke didn't lie about the fulfillment of that prophecy at Pentecost. Oh well, I guess I have two choices before me. I can either believe the futurist view which makes God grammatically & contextually inept & Luke a liar, or I can believe that the Word of God is true as written.
As stated above, you are calling Luke a liar because Christ did the same thing Peter did.
And "how can the church prophecy if they are not here?" Apparently you don't know the book of Revelation very well.
"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth....These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the
days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will"
First of all, that prophecy was split into different economies which is OBVIOUS because the day of God's vengeance was omitted by Christ ON PURPOSE. Secondly, there are 144,000 Jews sealed to prophesy in Revelation 7:4-8 led by Moses and Elijah in Rev 11:3-7. Those 2 prophecy for 3 1/2 years until they are killed by Satan (Rev 11:4-7) and then when the 3rd woe of Rev 8:13 begins in Revelation 12:11-12, the beast reigns for 3 1/2 years after that totaling 7 years as described in Daniel 9:24-27.
Christ's Kingdom:
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:20-21)
" When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord,
wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Acts 1:6
Did Jesus rebuke them and say "the kingdom of God is within you, why are you asking for the time of it's restoration?" NO, He said it is not for them to know the times and seasons of His RETURN. Jesus was answering the PHARISEES in the manner in which they attempted to trick Him, and notice His response was TO THE PHARISEES. So do you believe that the kingdom of God was within the Pharisees? Jesus was making the point that unless the Pharisees believed that He was Christ, it wouldn't matter when the kingdom would come becasue the most important part of the kingdom WAS WITHIN THEM, i.e., STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM.
The futurists' future kingdom is not Christ's kingdom. Your's is a earthly kingdom that comes with observation. The myth of a future earthly kingdom goes back to the time of Christ. The Jews rejected Christ as their Messiah because they were looking for an earthly Messiah who would grant them the wicked desires of their hearts to rule over their enemies. This wickedness blinded them to the reality of the eternal, spiritual kingdom of Christ.
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The ones who asked about the kingdom in Acts 1 were DISCIPLES. They were not heathen seeking to gain the "wicked desires of their hearts". They were still under Roman rule so they asked a logical question as to when they would no longer be under the oppression of this world, and reign with Christ. You fail to make the distinction between the CHURCH grafted into to be partakers of promises to Israel, and the FUTURE Kingdom ON EARTH when those promises come to complete fruition with the church side-by-side with Israel when they will operate as one body.
So if it's not an earthly kingdom, then why did Jesus respond to the disciples in Acts 1 that the times and seasons are not to be known YET, and that Jesus will return IN THE SAME MANNER they saw Him leave, TO THE EARTH?
Why did He tells the churches of Revelation; "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give
power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father." Rev 2:26-27.
So they are ruling over nations IN HEAVEN? and with a rod of iron IN HEAVEN? So you mean to tell me that God elevates the ungodly nations TO HEAVEN to be ruled over? And if you claim that those nations in heaven are godly, then why would they need to be ruled with a rod of iron?
It's an EARTHLY kingdom, where saints rule over the nations ON EARTH, judging the 12 tribes of Israel ON EARTH (Matt 19:28) where Jesus rules from an EARTHLY throne (Rev 3:19-20) after He sets foot on the Mount of Olives ON EARTH (Zech 14:4) where He will rule from Jerusalem which COMES DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH (Revelation 3:12).
"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem,
which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." Rev 3:12
There are over 100 different prophecies from Zech, Isaiah, Daniel, 1 and 2 Thess and Revelation that I can prove have not occurred yet.
Preterism is a farce and a doctrine of the devil.
leaves them too bruised and bloody to continue. It takes incredible blindness and ignorance to accept such a theory as full (or even partial preterism. You have to reject and refuse to rightly and properly divide extensive portions of scripture to accept such nonsense. That is just my humble opinion on the matter. Seriously...we need to sincerely pray that these people can somehow be recovered from the snare of the devil that they have been made captive too.:tear:
