Rattlesnakes?

[church mouse guy]

I see you aren't able to engage the part of your brain that applies logic. Have a good day sir.

Thanks for your usual kind words.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

You do realize that Jesus Christ will lead an army and set up a kingdom here on this earth, right? That's a military-political system as well. If you wish to declassify Islam as a religion for your above reasons, then you must also declassify Christianity.

You have posted a lot of things for which I have considerable respect. The above is not one of them. Comparing the acts of Christ upon His second coming to the acts of any earthly person of faith (including Christians) lacks any credibility - we are all sinners; He is not.

Separation of church and state - church shall not run the state; state shall not run the church - is a key principle of the US system of government. Christians should understand that the only biblically valid theocracy on earth will be when Christ returns. Islam utterly denies that separation principle, and holds that religion (Islam) should be the state, that all governments should be Islamic theocracies.

 

[OldRegular]

Y Islam utterly denies that separation principle, and holds that religion (Islam) should be the state, that all governments should be Islamic theocracies.

Sadly this is something that people fail to realize about Islam. It is complete domination over life, I believe they call it Sharia!

 

[church mouse guy]

Sadly this is something that people fail to realize about Islam. It is complete domination over life, I believe they call it Sharia!

I think that it is a holdover from ancient oriental despotism wherein the head of state was god. The Romans toyed with the idea and called their Caesars as gods but it was never something that the average Roman actually believed. However, in the orient, including the Arab states, is was often true that the head of state was also head of the religion. Iran would be a good example of that today--ancient oriental despotism still lingering.

I disagree with the notion of separation of church and state because it is non-constitutional. The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law to establish a church such as England had and that Congress shall make no law preventing the free exercise of worship. Does that mean that a church can use heroin as part of worship?

What is happening in America today is that Christianity is under attack illegally as government tries to control speech about Christianity in a blatant power grab. At the same time, the government is trying to make an accommodation with Islam. Even Bush hosted Ramadan dinners, etc. When you look at the fact that our wars with Islam began with Jefferson and have continued to this day as our oldest enemies, then I think that it is time to abandon our policy of respect for Islam as a theology and brand Islam as Stalinist and fascist.

 

[OldRegular]

Sadly this is something that people fail to realize about Islam. It is complete domination over life, I believe they call it Sharia!

From:http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Sharia Law

Unlike many religions, Islam includes a mandatory and highly specific legal and political plan for society called Sharia (pronounced “sha-r�e-uh”), which translates approximately as “way” or “path.” The precepts of Sharia are derived from the commandments of the Quran and the Sunnah (the teachings and precedents of Muhammad as found in the reliable hadiths and the Sira). Together, the Quran and the Sunnah establish the dictates of Sharia, which is the blueprint for the good Islamic society. Because Sharia originates with the Quran and the Sunnah, it is not optional. Sharia is the legal code ordained by Allah for all mankind. To violate Sharia or not to accept its authority is to commit rebellion against Allah, which Allah’s faithful are required to combat.

There is no separation between the religious and the political in Islam; rather Islam and Sharia constitute a comprehensive means of ordering society at every level. While it is in theory possible for an Islamic society to have different outward forms — an elective system of government, a hereditary monarchy, etc. — whatever the outward structure of the government, Sharia is the prescribed content. It is this fact that puts Sharia into conflict with forms of government based on anything other than the Quran and the Sunnah.

The precepts of Sharia may be divided into two parts:

1. Acts of worship (al-ibadat), which includes:Ritual Purification (Wudu)
Prayers (Salah)
Fasts (Sawm and Ramadan)
Charity (Zakat)
Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj)

2. Human interaction (al-muamalat), which includes:

Financial transactions
Endowments
Laws of inheritance
Marriage, divorce, and child care
Food and drink (including ritual slaughtering and hunting)
Penal punishments
War and peace
Judicial matters (including witnesses and forms of evidence)

As one may see, there are few aspects of life that Sharia does not specifically govern. Everything from washing one’s hands to child-rearing to taxation to military policy fall under its dictates. Because Sharia is derivate of the Quran and the Sunnah, it affords some room for interpretation. But upon examination of the Islamic sources (see above), it is apparent that any meaningful application of Sharia is going to look very different from anything resembling a free or open society in the Western sense. The stoning of adulterers, execution of apostates and blasphemers, repression of other religions, and a mandatory hostility toward non-Islamic nations punctuated by regular warfare will be the norm. It seems fair then to classify Islam and its Sharia code as a form of totalitarianism.

 

[matt wade]

The source (jihadwatch.org) specifies that Islam is a religion. Can't have it both ways guys...either it's a religion or not. If jihadwatch.org has it wrong, you can't use it as a source.

 

[OldRegular]

The source (jihadwatch.org) specifies that Islam is a religion. Can't have it both ways guys...either it's a religion or not. If jihadwatch.org has it wrong, you can't use it as a source.

I have frequently said on this Baptist Board that Islam is a "religion of death" so what is your problem.

 

[OldRegular]

You do realize that Jesus Christ will lead an army and set up a kingdom here on this earth, right? That's a military-political system as well. If you wish to declassify Islam as a religion for your above reasons, then you must also declassify Christianity.

That is nonsense!

 

[matt wade]

I have frequently said on this Baptist Board that Islam is a "religion of death" so what is your problem.

Your cohort believes Islam is not a religion. Have you been following this thread?

 

[OldRegular]

Your cohort believes Islam is not a religion. Have you been following this thread?

I really don't have a cohort posting on this Forum. My wife has more important things to do.

 

[go2church]

Wow! Reading through this thread is frieghtening and embarrassing. That a cornerstone of our countries founding, religious freedom, could be so easily dismissed, simply shameful. Our Baptist and non-baptist forefathers are weeping.

 

[OldRegular]

Wow! Reading through this thread is frieghtening and embarrassing. That a cornerstone of our countries founding, religious freedom, could be so easily dismissed, simply shameful. Our Baptist and non-baptist forefathers are weeping.

You should be both frightened and embarrassed. Frightened because of the threat of Islam to this country and embarrassed that you are seemingly unaware of what constitutes Islam. It is my belief that Because Islam is both a religion and a secular movement with the intent to rule the world that they may well constitute the last manifestation of the beast and false prophet of Revelation.

Is it possible that you do not read or listen to the news and understand what Islam is doing in the middle East and northern Africa.? I recommend Fox News! Islam is a religion of death and that is a fact. You can speak of freedom of religion but Islam is on the rise in this country and is receiving preferential treatment while Christianity is being suppressed. You would do well to wake up before it is too late.

I do not view Israel as many do on this BB but I do understand that they are the only democracy in the Middle East and that they are hated by Islam. That is sufficient for me to support them. If Iran gets a nuclear weapon Israel will be destroyed unless we help them develop a missile shield. In any event it is likely that Israel will retaliate and we could well have a nuclear war.

It is a fact reported on Fox News that Obama is considering sanctions against Israel while he grants Iran 7 months more to continue to enrich uranium.

Obama officials mum on reports White House weighing sanctions on Israel
The Obama administration is refusing to discuss reports that emerged early Thursday claiming that the White House is considering imposing sanctions on Israel for continuing construction on Jewish homes in Jerusalem.

State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf dodged several questions on Thursday when confronted with reports that the administration had held secret internal meetings to discuss taking action against Israel for its ongoing building in East Jerusalem.

The classified meetings were reportedly held several weeks ago and included officials from both the State Department and White House, according to the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, which first reported on the meetings.

The possibility of sanctioning Israel for its ongoing construction sends a signal that the Obama administration is willing to go further in its denunciations of Israel then any previous White House.

At the same time, the White House is vigorously pushing Congress against passing new sanctions on Iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rts-white-house-weighing-sanctions-on-israel/

 

[go2church]

Bigotry doesn't look good you, doesn't look good on anyone.

 

[carpro]

You have posted a lot of things for which I have considerable respect. The above is not one of them. Comparing the acts of Christ upon His second coming to the acts of any earthly person of faith (including Christians) lacks any credibility - we are all sinners; He is not.

Separation of church and state - church shall not run the state; state shall not run the church - is a key principle of the US system of government. Christians should understand that the only biblically valid theocracy on earth will be when Christ returns. Islam utterly denies that separation principle, and holds that religion (Islam) should be the state, that all governments should be Islamic theocracies.

Good post! :applause:

The words are yours, but the bolding is mine and worth remembering.

 

[church mouse guy]

The source (jihadwatch.org) specifies that Islam is a religion. Can't have it both ways guys...either it's a religion or not. If jihadwatch.org has it wrong, you can't use it as a source.

Please link that.

Here is what Jihad Watch says in part:

f. How can a violent political ideology be the second-largest and fastest-growing religion on earth?
It should not be surprising that a violent political ideology is proving so attractive to much of the world. The attractive power of fascist ideas has been proven through history. Islam combines the interior comfort provided by religious faith with the outward power of a world-transforming political ideology. Like the revolutionary violence of Communism, jihad offers an altruistic justification for waging death and destruction. Such an ideology will naturally draw to it violent-minded people while encouraging the non-violent to take up arms themselves or support violence indirectly. Because something is popular hardly makes it benign.
Furthermore, the areas in which Islam is growing most rapidly, such as Western Europe, have been largely denuded of their religious and cultural heritage, which leaves Islam as the only vibrant ideology available to those in search of meaning.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

 

[matt wade]

Please link that.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Section 1.a. from your link.

The five pillars of Islam constitute the most basic tenets of the religion.

 

[OldRegular]

Section 1.a. from your link.

Whatever you call it Islam is a religious/secular system whose purpose is to dominate the world! It is foolish beyond words to think otherwise or defend them on the basis of freedom of religion.

 

[matt wade]

Whatever you call it Islam is a religious/secular system whose purpose is to dominate the world! It is foolish beyond words to think otherwise or defend them on the basis of freedom of religion.

I'm not defining Islam in particular. I'm defending what America is all about. Our founding fathers felt the need to say that we would not use religion as a litmus test for public office. If you wish to exclude Muslims from public office then you go against the principles of this nation.

 

[OldRegular]

I'm not defining Islam in particular. I'm defending what America is all about. Our founding fathers felt the need to say that we would not use religion as a litmus test for public office. If you wish to exclude Muslims from public office then you go against the principles of this nation.

I doubt the founding fathers had Islam in mind when they wrote the Constitution!

 

[go2church]

Excerpted from "Thomas Jefferson's Qur'an"
[He] sais “neither Pagan nor Mahamedan [Muslim] nor Jew ought to be excluded from the civil rights of the Commonwealth because of his religion.”
 — Thomas Jefferson, quoting John Locke, 1776