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[OldRegular]

You misunderstand; I never said islam wasn't wrong. A couple of posts ago I stated it's a false religion.

But we have MANY false religions in the U.S. If we say "freedom of religion except for islam," then we start down the road of deciding which other false religions/pseudo-political-systems we're going to get rid of next. THEN you have to worry about who gets to make the decision. And who do we actually trust to make those decisions, especially when we elect an administration like Obama's?

Is that the America you want to live in, OR?

Don,

Can you show anywhere on this thread where I have said anything about banning freedom of religion. Even the quote I present in the OP makes no such statement. It simply makes certain remarks about Islamic terrorism and Muslims in the Obama administration.

I have expressed my personal views of Islam, a right I still have. Those views are harsh and I make no apology for them. But the reason we have laws and Constitutions is so that ones individual views cannot be illegally imposed on others.

I have pointed out that Muslims are receiving preferential treatment in this country in the practice of their religion and have presented proof of that preferential treatment: this while Christians are routinely discriminated against. I have stated that Islam is a "religion of death" and I believe that it is! I have stated:

In all honesty if I could send all Muslims in this country back to where ever they came from I would.

and I still mean that.

I believe that in the coming years the same thing will happen in our country that is happening in Europe. i don't know! Perhaps God is judging this country for the slaughter of 55,000,000 unborn children at the rate of about 4000 each day.

Most Americans are asleep. They are so wrapped up in themselves that they are unaware of what is happening in this country!

 

[Don]

Don,

Can you show anywhere on this thread where I have said anything about banning freedom of religion. Even the quote I present in the OP makes no such statement. It simply makes certain remarks about Islamic terrorism and Muslims in the Obama administration.

You've made three posts--including this one, where you quote yourself--saying you want to send all islamists back where they came from. How are we supposed to interpret that except by saying you don't want islam in this country, which can only be done by banning it? AND, by the way, you say this while ignoring the fact that many of these islamists are American-born and raised, so there's nowhere to send them back to--unless you mean kick ALL islamists out of this country, which only further supports the position that you want to ban islam in this country.

I have expressed my personal views of Islam, a right I still have. Those views are harsh and I make no apology for them. But the reason we have laws and Constitutions is so that ones individual views cannot be illegally imposed on others.

Absolutely correct. So do you support those laws and Constitution that protect the islamists from having YOUR viewpoint illegally imposed on them?

I have pointed out that Muslims are receiving preferential treatment in this country in the practice of their religion and have presented proof of that preferential treatment: this while Christians are routinely discriminated against. I have stated that Islam is a "religion of death" and I believe that it is! I have stated: and I still mean that.

I believe that in the coming years the same thing will happen in our country that is happening in Europe. i don't know! Perhaps God is judging this country for the slaughter of 55,000,000 unborn children at the rate of about 4000 each day.

Most Americans are asleep. They are so wrapped up in themselves that they are unaware of what is happening in this country!

Again I agree with you. We Americans as a whole are a lazy lot, who are pacified by and supportive of a government that lulls us into a gluttonous stupor through hand-outs and welfare, causing us to ignore the dangers both within and without because we're focused on what the government should be doing for us.

Look, islam is dangerous; I haven't said otherwise, and won't. My argument has been about the fundamental American foundation of religious practice. For all its pseudo-political and legal system, islam's primary foundation is a religious belief. Thus, you have to make a decision: are we going to continue with our core American value of freedom of religion, or are we going to start down the road of implementing a church-state that doesn't recognize and prohibits other religions--which is what our founding fathers created this great nation to escape from?

If you're going to support freedom of religion, then statements like "send them all back" have no business in your vocabulary. You're free to dislike and even hate islam--but as soon as you move to "send them back" or "kick them out," you've stepped over into banning and religious persecution. (Yes, that's right: those jihadists think WE'RE persecuting them for being islamist)

 

[Revmitchell]

Today is the national "Be Kind to Forum Threads Day" in the spirit of this day you all should be kind to this thread and let it die.

 

[Don]

Just read this thread, at least the parts that weren't blocked by my killfile.

Don, you are fighting a losing battle here. Our American values we hold dear, i.e. "with freedom and justice for all" doesn't mean "all" to them. It means only people like them. They will never budge an inch. They will be illogical and stubbornly stick to their "convictions" no matter how many times it is pointed out to be in error.

One of these posters hates the Democrats more than the Islamic terrorists; the other one hates the Islamic terrorists more than the Democrats. Dang if I can tell which is which, though.

I actually like OR. To my knowledge, this is the only thing I disagree with him on.

 

[OldRegular]

The Reverend Franklin Graham Calls Islam “A Religion of War”!
By Onan Coca / 13 December 2014

The Reverend Franklin Graham now leads the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) and has become an outspoken defender of the weak and criticizer of the powerful. He recently spoke with the London based magazine Christian Today when he made some controversial statements (that we happen to agree with).

He said that Islam has not changed in over 1500 years and has “not been hijacked by radicals” but is indeed “a religion of war.” He made the comments after being reminded of some similarly controversial things he said in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks.

He said that his opinion of Islam has not changed and that the religion itself had never changed.

“This is Islam. It has not been hijacked by radicals. This is the faith, this is the religion. It is what it is. It speaks for itself… It is the same. It is a religion of war."

Franklin GrahamWhile he may believe Islam to be inherently dangerous, he also believes that it is the duty of every Christian to show love to the Muslim people and share with them the truth of the Gospel.

"I think it is very important that we do all that we can to try to share God's love with Muslims because they have no hope outside of dying in Jihad. I want them to know, you do not have to die for God. God died for us. He sent His Son to die for us. We do not have to kill ourselves to please God. I want them to know that they can have eternal life."

Last month, the Reverend Graham upset some liberal American “Christians” when he spoke in opposition to allowing a Muslim prayer and worship service in the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. At the time the Reverned Graham said, “It’s sad to see a church open its doors to the worship of anything other than the One True God of the Bible who sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, to earth to save us from our sins.”

When pressed to address his problem with allowing Muslims to worship in our nation’s National Cathedral, Graham said, "The God of Islam is not the same God of the Judeo-Christian faith. The God that we worship in Christianity is a God that has a Son. To Islam, that is blasphemy, to say that God has a son. Therefore, they do not worship the God that we worship."

“As followers of Jesus Christ, we ought to forge our identity in Him. I want to take my life and the time I have on this Earth to try to tell others about Jesus, that Jesus Christ is God's son who took our sins to the Cross and shed His blood for our sins. If we are willing to put faith and trust in Him, God will forgive our sins, heal our hurts and give us eternal life."



I am so thankful that Reverend Graham has chosen to speak forcefully and honestly about Islam. American Christians need to hear these truths from our religious (and political) leaders. Liberals are working hard to force some kind of moral equivalency and pretend that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all cut from the same cloth…

THEY ARE NOT.

Judaism and Christianity are religions steeped in love, forgiveness, mercy and grace. Islam is a religion of vengeance and capricious violence. We need more Franklin Grahams willing to speak the truth.


Read more at http://eaglerising.com/12618/reverend-franklin-graham-calls-islam-religion-war/#Rr5qxj2M4iDrtIre.99

 

[Salty]

We need more Franklin Grahams willing to speak the truth.


AMEN!

 

[OldRegular]

We need more Franklin Grahams willing to speak the truth.


AMEN!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[OldRegular]

And then we have this going on!

Freed Al Qaeda operative floated as part of prisoner swap, ex-diplomat says

An admitted Al Qaeda agent released this month from a U.S. federal prison had been offered up as part of a potential prisoner swap in exchange for two Americans held in Qatar, a former U.S. diplomat said Monday.

Richard Grenell, who had worked on the case of the jailed Americans, confirmed to Fox News that the offer was put on the table.

"There's no disputing the fact. I don't care what they say -- the idea was floated," he said.

The Daily Beast first reported that the trade was proposed to the then-U.S. ambassador in Qatar in July 2014 by an individual close to Qatar's attorney general. Grenell, a former spokesman for the U.S. mission at the United Nations under the George W. Bush administration, confirmed the idea was floated to then-U.S. Ambassador Susan Ziadeh by a "close confidant" of the Qatari attorney general.

Further, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., wrote in a letter last week to the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee that he understands "engagement began months ago" on such a "possible exchange arrangement for other Americans" at the request of the Qataris.

Al Qaeda operative Ali Saleh al-Marri, who had been in U.S. custody since 2001, was ultimately released this month prior to completing his 15-year sentence because of "time served," according to the Justice Department.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...oner-swap-ex-diplomat-says/?intcmp=latestnews

Is nervous Obama White House holding Bergdahl report hostage?

By Lt. Col. Bill Cowan (ret.)Published January 16, 2015FoxNews.com

Last Sunday, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, indicated that he expected a decision “fairly soon” on whether the Army will court martial Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl for allegedly deserting his post in Afghanistan, or has cleared him, paving the way for separation from the service and back pay in excess of $200,000. Moreover, a decision to clear Bergdahl may well open the door for him to be designated a former prisoner of war, ensuring him substantial monthly pay, medical and educational benefits for the rest of his life.

To those who have followed all angles of Bergdahl’s case, it appears the Army has a true dilemma on its hands, as does the Obama administration. By now the investigating team has done an in-depth look into the circumstances surrounding Bergdahl’s disappearance from his post, has probably interviewed every witness with credible information, has looked at every piece of physical evidence and has reviewed hundreds of classified intelligence reports regarding his captivity. Its conclusions are long overdue.

In White House terms, not charging Bergdahl means that he was indeed worth the trade for the Taliban Five. But charging him on any level means that releasing the five Taliban was an error of monstrous proportions, one the administration will never be able to explain away satisfactorily.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015...-white-house-holding-bergdahl-report-hostage/

 

[just-want-peace]

OR, just posted this same email today; for some reason I had not seen your earlier posting.
Mods, just delete mine- thanks!!

 

[OldRegular]

OR, just posted this same email today; for some reason I had not seen your earlier posting.
Mods, just delete mine- thanks!!

It was resurrected today by Salty!