Rattlesnakes?

[church mouse guy]

There is a difference between not agreeing with someone's theology and wishing to send someone "back home" because of their theology.

Do you look askance at creationists? Do you mind dealing with the military/political/human-rights abuse nature of Islam?

 

[OldRegular]

There is a difference between not agreeing with someone's theology and wishing to send someone "back home" because of their theology.

I liked your "wow" Better! I mean that 'woe" carried a real message. Now if i had about 100 years left to figure out the message?

 

[Don]

Do you look askance at creationists? Do you mind dealing with the military/political/human-rights abuse nature of Islam?

So--should America say "freedom of religion, except for islam"?

 

[church mouse guy]

Oh, I was hoping that you would take the questions literally.

 

[Don]

Oh, I was hoping that you would take the questions literally.

I do. "No" to both. The first because I tend toward creationism; the second because our system of laws in America override islamic law.

Now how about my question?

 

[OldRegular]

I do. "No" to both. The first because I tend toward creationism; the second because our system of laws in America override islamic law.

Now how about my question?

You really don't know what you are talking about!

Sharia Law in America

Sharia law in the United States of America ("America") has reached Spread of Islam Phase 3.

As the number of court cases that involve conflicts between civil law and Sharia law rise in America, majority of American states have introduced bills banning courts from accommodating Sharia law.

But those bills have been stalled by well-financed challenges in court by Muslim groups that also campaign against politicians who sponsor and/or support such bills. Oklahoma's law banning Sharia law from courts has been struck down, and only six other conservative states (Louisiana, Arizona, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Kansas) have been able to pass Sharia law-limiting legislation, and only after watering them to not even mention the word, "Sharia."

While defending the status quo in legislatures, Sharia law has been advancing in other American institutions, including the following:

• An increasing number of public American schools with Muslim students are holding Islamic prayers towards Mecca while public American universities continue to build Muslim-only washing facilities. In 2013, Skokie School District 68 in Illinois became the first US school district to celebrate Eid al-Adha, a Muslim high day, as a school holiday, in lieu of Veterans Day. In 2014, Rocky Mountain High School in Fort Collins, Colorado became the first high school to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic, replacing "One nation under God," with "One nation under Allah."

• In 1996, Bill Clinton became the first US president to hold an Eid al-Fitr dinner at the White House to celebrate the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month-long dawn-to-dusk fast. Eid al-Fitr includes six "Takbirs," the raising of hands and shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" to declare that Allah, the moon god, is the "Greatest."

• In 2000, the Republican National Convention became the first US presidential convention to open with a Muslim prayer to Allah, the moon god.

• In 2007, Quran for the first time was used to swear into office a new US Congressman, Keith Ellison (above).

• In 2009, Hudson County Superior Court Judge Joseph Charles Jr. ruled in S.D. v. M.J.R. that the Muslim ex-husband repeatedly had sexually assaulted his Muslim ex-wife, both before and after their divorce. Following testimony from the Muslim man's imam, however, the judge denied the ex-wife's request for a permanent restraining order against her ex-husband, citing the Muslim man's "belief" and "practices": "The court believes that [defendant] was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices."

• In 2009, a Christian US soldier at Baghram Air Force Base in Afghanistan received Bibles in two local languages sent by his American church as planned. The US military confiscated those Bibles and instead of at least returning them to the church, burned them. By contrast, when Terry Jones, a pastor in Florida, announced his plan to burn a copy of the Quran in 2010, General David Petraeus, the commander of the US military in Afghanistan, publicly objected to his plan, while US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denounced his plan as "disgraceful."

• To attract and manage (Middle Eastern) Muslim wealth, an increasing number of American financial institutions are becoming Sharia-compliant. This requires donating a percentage of their annual profits to Islamic organizations designated by their Sharia-compliance advisors, many of whom are members of the Muslim Brotherhood and funnel money to even terrorist groups (donations must go to one or more of eight recipient categories, one of which is Jihad).

• Muslim taxi drivers are challenging local authorities for the right to refuse to pick up blind passengers with seeing-eye dogs, while Muslim supermarket cashiers are challenging their employers for the right to refuse to sell products from pigs. Both are considered unclean in Islam.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/america-sharia-law.html

 

[Don]

You really don't know what you are talking about!

Except for the marital and the last items (taxi drivers and clerks), none of those things are islamic laws; I'm familiar with each of those items, and they each fall under religious practice, not laws.

On the two that do fall under laws: The appellate court overrode the judge on the marital issue.

The taxi drivers and clerks will not win their case, for the same reason that Christian wedding cake makers are not allowed to say "no" to homosexual clients. Legal precedent has already been set.

Thus, my statement that our laws override islamic laws.

SO - how about answering my question that you've avoided for several pages now: do we say "religious freedom except for islam"?

 

[OldRegular]

Thus, my statement that our laws override islamic laws.

The fact is that Muslims are receiving preferential treatment in this country!

 

[Don]

And you still don't answer my question. That in itself tells a lot.

 

[church mouse guy]

And you still don't answer my question. That in itself tells a lot.

We all already answered your question above. To re-iterate, Islam gets a pass because it claims to be a religion. However it is a religion that is a façade for a military/political system of terror, human rights abuse, and barbaric Arab law. If Hitler or Stalin had called their systems religions, one might have an analogy to what Islam is.

 

[Don]

We all already answered your question above. To re-iterate, Islam gets a pass because it claims to be a religion. However it is a religion that is a façade for a military/political system of terror, human rights abuse, and barbaric Arab law. If Hitler or Stalin had called their systems religions, one might have an analogy to what Islam is.

So you're okay with saying "freedom of religion except for islam."

So after we ban islam, which religion is next?

 

[church mouse guy]

So you're okay with saying "freedom of religion except for islam."

So after we ban islam, which religion is next?

You see, you keep trying to apply your own words to us. We never said freedom of religion except for Islam, we never said ban Islam, and we never suggested that there was an agenda to ban religions. That is all you. However, we have called for a moratorium on all Islamic immigrants.

By the way, you have probably offended some Jihadist somewhere by failing to capitalize the name of a religion--Islam.

We have called for obeying the law but we are noting that Islam is a lie that mutilates almost all girls and is guilty of terror and is guilty of crimes against humanity and is guilty of millions of human rights abuses. Undoubtedly, part of the evidence is that you yourself do not wish to live in Algeria.

 

[Don]

You see, you keep trying to apply your own words to us. We never said freedom of religion except for Islam, we never said ban Islam, and we never suggested that there was an agenda to ban religions. That is all you. However, we have called for a moratorium on all Islamic immigrants.

By the way, you have probably offended some Jihadist somewhere by failing to capitalize the name of a religion--Islam.

We have called for obeying the law but we are noting that Islam is a lie that mutilates almost all girls and is guilty of terror and is guilty of crimes against humanity and is guilty of millions of human rights abuses. Undoubtedly, part of the evidence is that you yourself do not wish to live in Algeria.

You need to re-read this thread, starting with the opening post. The OP didn't call for a moratorium on islamic immigrants; and there's been at least one post that said send all islamic believers back where they came from.

Do I care if I've offended some jihadist by not capitalizing "islam"? Not in in the least. I don't capitalize the names of false religions.

What does me wanting or not wanting to live in Algeria have to do with any of this? We're talking about Americans who want to ignore one of the basic founding principles of our country: that people are free to believe and worship, even if others don't like it.

All I've done is point out the logical fallacy of the opening post (comparing muslims with rattlesnakes); as well as self-contradictory statements (such as the post where an individual said they weren't saying they didn't want muslims, but in the same post said they wanted to ship them all back where they came from); as well as the hyperbole about islamic laws overriding American laws.

I didn't put the words "freedom of religion except for islam" in your mouths; but one poster has more than indicated they would like to ban islam, thus necessarily bringing that statement into existence. That necessarily leads to the slippery slope. What do we look at next? The satanic display in Florida's state capitol building? How about the freedom from religion groups? These are each whittling away at Christianity through the use of legal means; shouldn't we also be advocating for their removal from our hallowed shores to protect ourselves and our way of life?

Start with the OP; can you honestly tell me that was worth the 8 or so pages we've now given it? Don't we owe it to those who read these exchanges to do our best to not engage in logical fallacies, and stick to the facts rather than hyperbole and fear-mongering?

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, Don, Allah is another name for Satan but you are in a world of trouble with the Jihadists for calling Islam a false religion. You might want to change your name to Barry or something.

 

[OldRegular]

You need to re-read this thread, starting with the opening post. The OP didn't call for a moratorium on islamic immigrants; and there's been at least one post that said send all islamic believers back where they came from.

That was me and I mean't it! I am not a "rapture ready dispensationalist" but I believe Islam may be the final manifestation of the beast and false prophet of Revelation.

Do I care if I've offended some jihadist by not capitalizing "islam"? Not in in the least. I don't capitalize the names of false religions.

What does me wanting or not wanting to live in Algeria have to do with any of this? We're talking about Americans who want to ignore one of the basic founding principles of our country: that people are free to believe and worship, even if others don't like it.

All I've done is point out the logical fallacy of the opening post (comparing muslims with rattlesnakes); as well as self-contradictory statements (such as the post where an individual said they weren't saying they didn't want muslims, but in the same post said they wanted to ship them all back where they came from); as well as the hyperbole about islamic laws overriding American laws.

I didn't put the words "freedom of religion except for islam" in your mouths; but one poster has more than indicated they would like to ban islam, thus necessarily bringing that statement into existence. That necessarily leads to the slippery slope. What do we look at next? The satanic display in Florida's state capitol building? How about the freedom from religion groups? These are each whittling away at Christianity through the use of legal means; shouldn't we also be advocating for their removal from our hallowed shores to protect ourselves and our way of life?

Start with the OP; can you honestly tell me that was worth the 8 or so pages we've now given it? Don't we owe it to those who read these exchanges to do our best to not engage in logical fallacies, and stick to the facts rather than hyperbole and fear-mongering?

Your problem is that you only see Islam as a false religion. Islam is absolute submission to a false god and includes total domination of everything, much worse than the RCC during the days of the Holy Roman.Empire.

True Christianity is submission to God but that does not include the mutilation and enslavement of women and the slaughter or beheading of unbelievers as does Islam!

 

[Don]

Well, Don, Allah is another name for Satan but you are in a world of trouble with the Jihadists for calling Islam a false religion. You might want to change your name to Barry or something.

Why do you think I care whether I'm in trouble with the jihadists or not?

 

[Don]

That was me and I mean't it! I am not a "rapture ready dispensationalist" but I believe Islam may be the final manifestation of the beast and false prophet of Revelation.



Your problem is that you only see Islam as a false religion. Islam is absolute submission to a false god and includes total domination of everything, much worse than the RCC during the days of the Holy Roman.Empire.

True Christianity is submission to God but that does not include the mutilation and enslavement of women and the slaughter or beheading of unbelievers as does Islam!

You misunderstand; I never said islam wasn't wrong. A couple of posts ago I stated it's a false religion.

But we have MANY false religions in the U.S. If we say "freedom of religion except for islam," then we start down the road of deciding which other false religions/pseudo-political-systems we're going to get rid of next. THEN you have to worry about who gets to make the decision. And who do we actually trust to make those decisions, especially when we elect an administration like Obama's?

Is that the America you want to live in, OR?

 

[InTheLight]

Start with the OP; can you honestly tell me that was worth the 8 or so pages we've now given it? Don't we owe it to those who read these exchanges to do our best to not engage in logical fallacies, and stick to the facts rather than hyperbole and fear-mongering?

Just read this thread, at least the parts that weren't blocked by my killfile.

Don, you are fighting a losing battle here. Our American values we hold dear, i.e. "with freedom and justice for all" doesn't mean "all" to them. It means only people like them. They will never budge an inch. They will be illogical and stubbornly stick to their "convictions" no matter how many times it is pointed out to be in error.

One of these posters hates the Democrats more than the Islamic terrorists; the other one hates the Islamic terrorists more than the Democrats. Dang if I can tell which is which, though.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Just read this thread, at least the parts that weren't blocked by my killfile.

Yup. It's hard to get a thoughtful conversation going, lately. Most of this thread is blocked, and I don't hit the "view post" button anymore.

 

[church mouse guy]

Oh, the internet is slow today--I am able to read this thread.