Featured Rattlesnakes?

Do you look askance at creationists? Do you mind dealing with the military/political/human-rights abuse nature of Islam?

 

So--should America say "freedom of religion, except for islam"?

 

Oh, I was hoping that you would take the questions literally.

 

I do. "No" to both. The first because I tend toward creationism; the second because our system of laws in America override islamic law.

Now how about my question?

 

Except for the marital and the last items (taxi drivers and clerks), none of those things are islamic laws; I'm familiar with each of those items, and they each fall under religious practice, not laws.

On the two that do fall under laws: The appellate court overrode the judge on the marital issue.

The taxi drivers and clerks will not win their case, for the same reason that Christian wedding cake makers are not allowed to say "no" to homosexual clients. Legal precedent has already been set.

Thus, my statement that our laws override islamic laws.

SO - how about answering my question that you've avoided for several pages now: do we say "religious freedom except for islam"?

 

And you still don't answer my question. That in itself tells a lot.

 

We all already answered your question above. To re-iterate, Islam gets a pass because it claims to be a religion. However it is a religion that is a façade for a military/political system of terror, human rights abuse, and barbaric Arab law. If Hitler or Stalin had called their systems religions, one might have an analogy to what Islam is.

 

So you're okay with saying "freedom of religion except for islam."

So after we ban islam, which religion is next?

 

You see, you keep trying to apply your own words to us. We never said freedom of religion except for Islam, we never said ban Islam, and we never suggested that there was an agenda to ban religions. That is all you. However, we have called for a moratorium on all Islamic immigrants.

By the way, you have probably offended some Jihadist somewhere by failing to capitalize the name of a religion--Islam.

We have called for obeying the law but we are noting that Islam is a lie that mutilates almost all girls and is guilty of terror and is guilty of crimes against humanity and is guilty of millions of human rights abuses. Undoubtedly, part of the evidence is that you yourself do not wish to live in Algeria.

 

You need to re-read this thread, starting with the opening post. The OP didn't call for a moratorium on islamic immigrants; and there's been at least one post that said send all islamic believers back where they came from.

Do I care if I've offended some jihadist by not capitalizing "islam"? Not in in the least. I don't capitalize the names of false religions.

What does me wanting or not wanting to live in Algeria have to do with any of this? We're talking about Americans who want to ignore one of the basic founding principles of our country: that people are free to believe and worship, even if others don't like it.

All I've done is point out the logical fallacy of the opening post (comparing muslims with rattlesnakes); as well as self-contradictory statements (such as the post where an individual said they weren't saying they didn't want muslims, but in the same post said they wanted to ship them all back where they came from); as well as the hyperbole about islamic laws overriding American laws.

I didn't put the words "freedom of religion except for islam" in your mouths; but one poster has more than indicated they would like to ban islam, thus necessarily bringing that statement into existence. That necessarily leads to the slippery slope. What do we look at next? The satanic display in Florida's state capitol building? How about the freedom from religion groups? These are each whittling away at Christianity through the use of legal means; shouldn't we also be advocating for their removal from our hallowed shores to protect ourselves and our way of life?

Start with the OP; can you honestly tell me that was worth the 8 or so pages we've now given it? Don't we owe it to those who read these exchanges to do our best to not engage in logical fallacies, and stick to the facts rather than hyperbole and fear-mongering?

 

Well, Don, Allah is another name for Satan but you are in a world of trouble with the Jihadists for calling Islam a false religion. You might want to change your name to Barry or something.

 

Why do you think I care whether I'm in trouble with the jihadists or not?

 

You misunderstand; I never said islam wasn't wrong. A couple of posts ago I stated it's a false religion.

But we have MANY false religions in the U.S. If we say "freedom of religion except for islam," then we start down the road of deciding which other false religions/pseudo-political-systems we're going to get rid of next. THEN you have to worry about who gets to make the decision. And who do we actually trust to make those decisions, especially when we elect an administration like Obama's?

Is that the America you want to live in, OR?

 

Just read this thread, at least the parts that weren't blocked by my killfile.

Don, you are fighting a losing battle here. Our American values we hold dear, i.e. "with freedom and justice for all" doesn't mean "all" to them. It means only people like them. They will never budge an inch. They will be illogical and stubbornly stick to their "convictions" no matter how many times it is pointed out to be in error.

One of these posters hates the Democrats more than the Islamic terrorists; the other one hates the Islamic terrorists more than the Democrats. Dang if I can tell which is which, though.

 

Yup. It's hard to get a thoughtful conversation going, lately. Most of this thread is blocked, and I don't hit the "view post" button anymore.

 

Oh, the internet is slow today--I am able to read this thread.