Read a Creed in Church?

[Iconoclast]

Really, who can cast blame on the Calvinists for following creeds and confessions to better express “their” beliefs of what the scriptures must reveal as truth?

The mark of a Calvinist is to claim that the scriptures are their authority and in the same breath turn right around and desperately attempt to justify their faithful following of manmade creeds and/or confessions by claiming that since the authors of such, who used “their” philosophical “reasoning” to support it by scriptures, somehow places that scriptural authority into the creeds. I get it:

What they ignorantly fail to realize is that they have just displayed that they have unwittingly transferred the authority of the scriptures from their own reasoning to the other men’s reasoning concerning the meaning of these scriptures. (Col 2:8) Therefore the mark of the Calvinist is to demonstrate their own poor reasoning skills over and over again seen in that they can’t hold on to a thought long enough for their reasoning to be of value to them anyway. No problem guys, I understand.

Don’t worry, I get it. We

What you do not get, or resist is the fact that trained men who can open up the scriptures are given by God as gifts to the church in Eph4...

You want to suggest that the Spirit of God cannot work in and through many men through Church History who speak ...scripture , not bedate fallacies, logical carnal reasoning...no..instead the Spirit is given so we can compare spiritual things with Spiritual things...1 cor 2
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The very idea you try and use to undermine these godly men, is the very thing that condemns the worldly philosophy and debate rules you want to replace scripture with...Your lack of response to 12 strings demonstrates it.:thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

Any christian, or group of christians, who have been taught well will have absolutely NO NEED of a creed.

Hey AIC, lets put that to the test!

Write your understanding of sanctification, calling, repentance out in one or two paragraphs.....do not use any other book other than your bible...lets see what you have got....

In other words...if all books and bibles were confiscated and you had to write what you believe ....starting from scratch.....

here..write out what you believe here offering any verses you think support your position
Pick out a few 3,4,5 topics and write here on BB what you would want us to know...from being as well taught as you have been.

I challenge everyone here as a spiritual exercise....get a note book and write out your own CONFESSION OF FAITH......no cheating!!! let's see what you have got.....:type:

Of God and the Holy Trinity
Of God's Decree
Of Creation
Of Divine Providence
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the punishment thereof
Of God's Covenant
Of Christ the Mediator
Of Free Will
Of Effectual Calling
Of Justification
Of Adoption
Of Sanctification
Of Saving Faith
Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation
Of Good Works
Of the Perseveraance of the Saints
Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
Of the Law of God
Of the Gospel and the Extent of Grace thereof
Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience
Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day
Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
Of the Civil Magistrate
Of Marriage
Of the Church
Of the Communion of Saints
Of Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Of Baptism
Of the Lord's Supper
Of the State of Man after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead
Of the Last Judgement


if you do not cheat...I will guarantee you will not exceed what the confessions already contain.....can you be honest enough to do it.???

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hey AIC, lets put that to the test!

Write your understanding of sanctification, calling, repentance out in one or two paragraphs.....do not use any other book other than your bible...lets see what you have got....

In other words...if all books and bibles were confiscated and you had to write what you believe ....starting from scratch.....

here..write out what you believe here offering any verses you think support your position
Pick out a few 3,4,5 topics and write here on BB what you would want us to know...from being as well taught as you have been.

I challenge everyone here as a spiritual exercise....get a note book and write out your own CONFESSION OF FAITH......no cheating!!! let's see what you have got.....:type:

Of God and the Holy Trinity
Of God's Decree
Of Creation
Of Divine Providence
Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the punishment thereof
Of God's Covenant
Of Christ the Mediator
Of Free Will
Of Effectual Calling
Of Justification
Of Adoption
Of Sanctification
Of Saving Faith
Of Repentance unto Life and Salvation
Of Good Works
Of the Perseveraance of the Saints
Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
Of the Law of God
Of the Gospel and the Extent of Grace thereof
Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience
Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day
Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
Of the Civil Magistrate
Of Marriage
Of the Church
Of the Communion of Saints
Of Baptism and the Lord's Supper
Of Baptism
Of the Lord's Supper
Of the State of Man after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead
Of the Last Judgement


if you do not cheat...I will guarantee you will not exceed what the confessions already contain.....can you be honest enough to do it.???

you pulled this out of the 1689 right! Im not Christianizing....when I 1st was regenerated in my understanding of things, formally I was a lapsed Presbyterian. I used the Westminster to orientate myself ...as a good guideline (along with scripture). I then began to study 1689 & finally to compare & contrast, I sat in on a few studies at Trinity in Montville. Other than that, I never had any training in scripture. If I had gone to the Presbyterians, they would have chastised me for even speaking to a Reformed Baptist & when I went to Trinity, I was looked at with suspicion for having been a Presbyterian. So I had to sort out what my belief system truly was. Today, I gravitate to a total Sovereign Grace theology but I did use both Westminster & 1689 as guide posts.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Would you say they also in no further need of teaching, or reminding of what they have already been taught? That once a person learns a biblical topic, they have no need to ever hear it again? Ie, if you are in a small group of people that you know are christians, there is no need to remind them that Jesus died for their sins?

This is the purpose of reading something like the apostles creed in church...a reminder of what most people already know.

When I was a catholic we did a a lot of creed reciting. It, of course, very quickly degenerated into vain repitition.


I just think that the better way is to continue in the scriptures rather then the recitation of creeds.

 

[Benjamin]

Today, I gravitate to a total Sovereign Grace theology but I did use both Westminster & 1689 as guide posts.

Another born and bred 1689 LBC Calvinist, eh...

:tongue3:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Another born and bred 1689 LBC Calvinist, eh...

:tongue3:

you must be stupid....I told you I wasnt a Calvinist. Of course your OCD prohibits you from thinking rationally...or is it you just cant think altogether. Either way, you got some problems to deal with apparently. Either way, I could care less.

Sub Note: You know what.... I take that back, I do care.....so here is a website on OCD & treatment. You need to put your mind in more than one obsessive direction. Hope it helps.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2006728&posted=1#post2006728

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When I was a catholic we did a a lot of creed reciting. It, of course, very quickly degenerated into vain repitition.


I just think that the better way is to continue in the scriptures rather then the recitation of creeds

Now what do you do when you have questions?

 

[Benjamin]

I challenge everyone here as a spiritual exercise....


I will guarantee you will not exceed what the confessions already contain...

Wrong...My Bible exceeds what the 1689 LC contains for a good spiritual exercise experience any day of week. No ghetto scriptural gymnastics for me...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wrong...My Bible exceeds what the 1689 LC contains for a good spiritual exercise experience any day of week. No ghetto scriptural gymnastics for me...

.therefore you forfeit any credibility (albeit minuscule) that you ever had....[edited] :tongue3:

 

[Benjamin]

[snip personal insult] I told you I wasnt a Calvinist.

[snip personal insults] Either way, I could care less.

You know what.... I take that back, I do care.....[snip personal insult]

You Calvinists just can't make up your minds, can you?

:flower:

 

[Benjamin]

Horse manure...:laugh:...therefore you forfeit any credibility (albeit minuscule) that you ever had....IE, your just a chicken S**T! :tongue3:

Calm down there EWF...your walking a thin line on the rules there. You get your spiritual workouts in your Calvinist gym and I'll get mine directly form the Source....K?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Calm down there EWF...your walking a thin line on the rules there. You get your spiritual workouts in your Calvinist gym and I'll get mine directly form the Source....K?

Im sorry if the truth tends to hurt you Benny but Im all about telling the truth at all costs. If you perceive me as a Calvinist, after Ive told you that I am not ....Oh well! Nor do I have an allegiance to Calvinists or Non Calvies ...as Ive pointed out---its to God. Therefore Ive got to conclude that 1. Your in fact just plain Stupid or (2) you have a mental problem that prohibits you from comprehending. In any event....like I indicated, that is your problem. Let me know if I can help you in any way overcome your er ...difficulties. Maybe stay outa the sun ....I understand its hot out there.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When I was a catholic we did a a lot of creed reciting. It, of course, very quickly degenerated into vain repitition.


I just think that the better way is to continue in the scriptures rather then the recitation of creeds.

Can you please tell me what problems you have with the Apostles creed? Is it merely your childhood memories of Roman Catholicism & the services being almost always repetition .... that I could well understand being 32 years as a Catholic myself. Or is there more to this aversion to creeds?

 

[Robert Snow]

Horse manure...:laugh:...therefore you forfeit any credibility (albeit minuscule) that you ever had....IE, your just a chicken S**T! :tongue3:

You sure are a foul-mouthed person, aren't you? You need an old Texas attitude adjustment; too bad you're so far from Texas. :laugh:

 

[Alive in Christ]

EWF...

Can you please tell me what problems you have with the Apostles creed?

I have nothing against it at all.. As far as I can remember there is nothing problematic in it.

I am just of the opinion that there must be a reason why God chose to NOT give us just a creed, but rather reams and reams of scriptures.

Because of of that fact, I choose to ignor the creeds, and feed on the scriptures.

If you like them, thats perfectly fine with me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You sure are a foul-mouthed person, aren't you? You need an old Texas attitude adjustment; too bad you're so far from Texas. :laugh:

Come to New Jersey & I will show you how we handle Tough Guys from Texas.

Wait a minute....you talkin barbicue? :laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

EWF...



I have nothing against it at all.. As far as I can remember there is nothing problematic in it.

I am just of the opinion that there must be a reason why God chose to NOT give us just a creed, but rather reams and reams of scriptures.

Because of of that fact, I choose to ignor the creeds, and feed on the scriptures.

If you like them, thats perfectly fine with me.

so how do you know you are interpreting scripture properly?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Course you know what Lee Ermey thinks of Texans...LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFSdj1J5Vw

 

[Robert Snow]

Come to New Jersey & I will show you how we handle Tough Guys from Texas.

I will just send my posse.

Wait a minute....you talkin barbicue? :laugh:

I know where to get some barbque that will whip both our butts and make us like it! :laugh:

 

[Alive in Christ]

so how do you know you are interpreting scripture properly?

I have found The Holy Spirit to be a wonderfull teacher


Praise the Lord