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[KevinThrowe]

Please try and answer these questions:
1) Did we save ourselves or did God save us?
2) If you believe, as I do, God saved us, then did we initiate the process or did God initiate the process?
3) If you believe, as I do, that we love God because He first loved us, then did we play any part in our salvation?
4) If you believe, as I do, that we obtained the grace of salvation through faith, then did our faith merit or earn our salvation?
5) If you believe, as I do, that faith is according to grace, not works, then our faith did not merit or earn our salvation.
6) Therefore salvation depends not of the person who wills to be saved, but upon God who chooses to have mercy, Romans 9:16.

I guess everyone agrees with my understand of the spectrum of entry into Salvation!

I believe those who violate the commandments get judged at the gate. There are two outcomes salvation or damnation.Thus I wonder where in 40 Germany that decide is /

 

[Ben1445]

I believe those who violate the commandments get judged at the gate. There are two outcomes salvation or damnation.Thus I wonder where in 40 Germany that decide is /

The cross of Christ. Have you been there?

 

[KevinThrowe]

Yet another change of subject post - I was personally in Germany (West Germany at that time) and saw the bombed out buildings still in Frankfurt in the 1960's. There was an attempt at Earthy justice, it was called WWII.

The reports on Auschwitz were after the war, the acts were during the war, some say that the workers in the MIC were killed in the bombing because they were guilty of the actions of the Nazi government. But at the end of the war most Germans who were parts of Auschwitz simply walked away. Did they get judged at the gate.

 

[Ben1445]

The reports on Auschwitz were after the war, the acts were during the war, some say that the workers in the MIC were killed in the bombing because they were guilty of the actions of the Nazi government. But at the end of the war most Germans who were parts of Auschwitz simply walked away. Did they get judged at the gate.

I’m not their God. But I know Him. Do you?

 

[KevinThrowe]

I’m not their God. But I know Him. Do you?

So you have no comment on earning salvation beyound knowing Jesus . Thus why have commandments?

 

[Ben1445]

So you have no comment on earning salvation beyound knowing Jesus . Thus why have commandments?

There is no earning salvation. No one can Keep the law.
So you are not able to answer my question?
PM me. I will talk to you separately.

 

[KevinThrowe]

There is no earning salvation. No one can Keep the law.
So you are not able to answer my question?
PM me. I will talk to you separately.

Love the concept that I obeyed the Ten Commandments and the one Jesus Himself gave us. But all I had to do was wait til I was old and sick and say “ oops sorry”

 

[Ben1445]

Love the concept that I obeyed the Ten Commandments and the one Jesus Himself gave us. But all I had to do was wait til I was old and sick and say “ oops sorry”

Romans 3:8
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Hebrews 10:26-31
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

 

[Van]

I believe those who violate the commandments get judged at the gate. There are two outcomes salvation or damnation.Thus I wonder where in 40 Germany that decide is /

Your belief is a man-made fiction, having nothing to do with being chosen for salvation. You have to study God's word, rather than prejudge it.

 

[Van]

The reports on Auschwitz were after the war, the acts were during the war, some say that the workers in the MIC were killed in the bombing because they were guilty of the actions of the Nazi government. But at the end of the war most Germans who were parts of Auschwitz simply walked away. Did they get judged at the gate.

I personally knew a person who fled, with her parents from the NASI's during WWII. They boarded a ship, were not allowed to disembark at ports outside the control of the NASIs and so had to return to the sea. At this point in her account, she grabbed my arm and said, you know the seas were full of wolf packs. Then she finished, we reached Great Britain, and although they were being starved by blockades, they opened their arms and allowed us in.

It appears you have been brainwashed with malarkey from a Marxist warehouse.

 

[KevinThrowe]

I personally knew a person who fled, with her parents from the NASI's during WWII. They boarded a ship, were not allowed to disembark at ports outside the control of the NASIs and so had to return to the sea. At this point in her account, she grabbed my arm and said, you know the seas were full of wolf packs. Then she finished, we reached Great Britain, and although they were being starved by blockades, they opened their arms and allowed us in.

It appears you have been brainwashed with malarkey from a Marxist warehouse.

So where is your believe in salvation in terms of the WWII Germany?

 

[KevinThrowe]

Your belief is a man-made fiction, having nothing to do with being chosen for salvation. You have to study God's word, rather than prejudge it.

Googling Jesus shows His #1 teaching is the per suit of getting into heaven, this then goes to misquoting Jesus and the changes in the wording, a dummies guide give the scientific oversite which leads to most who support the opposite of Jesus’ teachings do not achieve salvation.

 

[Ben1445]

Googling Jesus shows His #1 teaching is the per suit of getting into heaven, this then goes to misquoting Jesus and the changes in the wording, a dummies guide give the scientific oversite which leads to most who support the opposite of Jesus’ teachings do not achieve salvation.

Your atheist authors and Catholic background have convinced you to attempt to pay for, by deeds, what is offered as a gift.

 

[Van]

So where is your believe in salvation in terms of the WWII Germany?

You need to study God's word, Sir.

Jesus is the way, the means of entering Heaven. But you do not enter through the narrow door by works, such as I taught Sunday School, or I was baptized by a Baptist preacher.

Next you make a charge of misquoting Jesus, but provide no specific reference.

Then you refer to "most" who support the opposite of Jesus' teachings, but again provide no specific reference.

 

[Ben1445]

You need to study God's word, Sir.

Jesus is the way, the means of entering Heaven. But you do not enter through the narrow door by works, such as I taught Sunday School, or I was baptized by a Baptist preacher.

Next you make a charge of misquoting Jesus, but provide no specific reference.

Then you refer to "most" who support the opposite of Jesus' teachings, but again provide no specific reference.

“Misquoting Jesus” is a book title.
Dummies guide is a reference to another book.

 

[KevinThrowe]

Your atheist authors and Catholic background have convinced you to attempt to pay for, by deeds, what is offered as a gift.

So your answer is that there is no divide and no matter what you allow or help happen it has zero affect on salvation.

 

[KevinThrowe]

You need to study God's word, Sir.

Jesus is the way, the means of entering Heaven. But you do not enter through the narrow door by works, such as I taught Sunday School, or I was baptized by a Baptist preacher.

Next you make a charge of misquoting Jesus, but provide no specific reference.

Then you refer to "most" who support the opposite of Jesus' teachings, but again provide no specific reference.

That is the point in order to follow the teachings what acts in light of an occurrence like being part of Nazi Germany or this America gets too far away from Jesus to be saved, in case you did not grasp it I have studied. With the anniversary of Auschwitz and the accounts of the actions of persons who got zero earthly justice and seeing America heading there I do believe it is my duty to point out the need for salvation.

 

[Mikoo]

Your atheist authors and Catholic background have convinced you to attempt to pay for, by deeds, what is offered as a gift.

After reading this thread, I think I am starting to see a wolf in barely fitting sheep's clothing (KT). Just my observation.

 

[Van]

That is the point in order to follow the teachings what acts in light of an occurrence like being part of Nazi Germany or this America gets too far away from Jesus to be saved, in case you did not grasp it I have studied. With the anniversary of Auschwitz and the accounts of the actions of persons who got zero earthly justice and seeing America heading there I do believe it is my duty to point out the need for salvation.

Sir, you have demonstrated complete ignorance of the gospel. You continue to espouse a works based salvation. That view is fiction.

 

[John of Japan]

How can you say only Bible when it has been re-written so many times.

This is completely false. The Bible has never been "re-written." The Greek and Hebrew mss remain the same. However, it has been re-translated many times.