Reading biblical study books

[Van]

So your answer is that there is no divide and no matter what you allow or help happen it has zero affect on salvation.

Yes, prior sins do not preclude salvation, only unbelief as determined by God.

 

[Van]

This is completely false. The Bible has never been "re-written." The Greek and Hebrew mss remain the same. However, it has been re-translated many times.

Great Point!!

What some do is to re-translate a faithful translation into an unfaithful one to support false doctrine. The NWT being a fine example.

 

[John of Japan]

The author has PhDs in theology. Had access to the hidden Vatican library. Instead of dismissing the book try reading it .he explains how it changed some details but not the core message. That is why “the dummies guide to Christianity “ is such a great book.

Please get your facts straight. First of all, it is meaningless in this context that he has "PhDs in theology." I don't care how much an atheist is educated, if the degrees are from the wrong place he's wrong from the start. Ehrman's PhD (just one, I believe, not "PhDs") is from Princeton, which is as theologically liberal as the day is long.

Plus his PhD is not in theology, but in textual criticism (do you know what that is?) under Bruce Metzger, a famous textual critic. (I have several of his books.) My son is a Bible scholar with a PhD from Southeastern BTS under the mentorship of famous Greek scholar David Alan Black. I'd take his scholarship over Ehrman's any day of the year.

For that matter, you can trust little old me. I have an MA in Bible and am working on a doctorate. I think I'm just as qualified as Ehrman to pontificate on the Bible.

 

[Ben1445]

So your answer is that there is no divide and no matter what you allow or help happen it has zero affect on salvation.

God’s Word says “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.”
It may easily be understood that unbelief will affect your salvation.
It is an over simplification to say that “nothing you” has any relevance to salvation.
But as Ephesians 2 states, it is by grace through faith and not of works.
So salvation is the gift of God given by His grace. It is received through faith. Since work is contrasted with faith it faith is the absence of our work.
It is either all on you or all on Christ. Do you trust Christ to atone for your sin or do you think he needs your help? Is your faith in Christ or yourself?

 

[KevinThrowe]

After reading this thread, I think I am starting to see a wolf in barely fitting sheep's clothing (KT). Just my observation.

Really ? Was dim-ly trying to gave a discussion on salvation. My years of Christianity were brought into question with the anniversary of Auschwitz. Hearing the reports on the activities of so many humans seeing the inhumane acts made me wonder where the divide between salvation and damnation was. As most of the people involved were never to get earthly justice I wondered where the divide st the gate was. Most would say the guards who forced the naked starved persons into the gas chambers would have to repent , many seam to say a simple gee I’m sorry was enough . Not what I was taught. Seeing the reports on the clerks who knew what the final solution was all about were they guilty? Seeing America following that path I could but wonder what Jesus would say. Too many here do not want to have an academic discussion but want it to be personal.

 

[KevinThrowe]

Sir, you have demonstrated complete ignorance of the gospel. You continue to espouse a works based salvation. That view is fiction.

Funny googling and my experience say Jesus said entering heaven is the goal

 

[KevinThrowe]

This is completely false. The Bible has never been "re-written." The Greek and Hebrew mss remain the same. However, it has been re-translated many times.

Reading the book” misquoting Jesus “ gives a different view. Recall Jesus died a criminal. All the works are word of mouth pass down . And the change in language. The doc explains well. Thus the dummies guide to Christianity is such a great book.

 

[Ben1445]

Reading the book” misquoting Jesus “ gives a different view. Recall Jesus died a criminal. All the works are word of mouth pass down . And the change in language. The doc explains well. Thus the dummies guide to Christianity is such a great book.

Jesus died as a criminal. He had committed no crime. He did not die a criminal. He died a Saviour who gave Himself.

 

[Ben1445]

Really ? Was dim-ly trying to gave a discussion on salvation. My years of Christianity were brought into question with the anniversary of Auschwitz. Hearing the reports on the activities of so many humans seeing the inhumane acts made me wonder where the divide between salvation and damnation was. As most of the people involved were never to get earthly justice I wondered where the divide st the gate was. Most would say the guards who forced the naked starved persons into the gas chambers would have to repent , many seam to say a simple gee I’m sorry was enough . Not what I was taught. Seeing the reports on the clerks who knew what the final solution was all about were they guilty? Seeing America following that path I could but wonder what Jesus would say. Too many here do not want to have an academic discussion but want it to be personal.

What is repentance to you?
You seem to have a measurement for it.
How do you quantify it?

 

[KevinThrowe]

Jesus died as a criminal. He had committed no crime. He did not die a criminal. He died a Saviour who gave Himself.

The then government killed him as a criminal . Christians hid and preached with the risk of death and torture for speaking His teachings . That is why the stories change, the missing gospels book shows how the one chapter on the money traders was removed because that apostle recorded it as Jesus beating up the money traders and the church did not want to depict Jesus as a fighter,

 

[John of Japan]

Reading the book” misquoting Jesus “ gives a different view. Recall Jesus died a criminal. All the works are word of mouth pass down . And the change in language. The doc explains well. Thus the dummies guide to Christianity is such a great book.

No, Bart Ehrman is a textual critic, so he does not say that the Bible has been "rewritten." (He is listed as an author along with Metzger of the 34th edition of the textbook on that discipline, The Text of the NT.) If you think he does say the NT has been "rewritten," I'd like to see a quote from his book proving that.

As for the the idea that "All the works are word of mouth pass (sic) down," that is easily proven to be false. In order to say that, Ehrman has to deny that the authors were actual disciples of Jesus. However, there is tons of proof that the NT books were written by contemporary disciples of Jesus. To give just one of many proofs, the book of Revelation was written by the Apostle John in 95 or AD 96. The only scholars who disagree with that are preterists. Only one liberal scholar has taken that opinion that I know of. And the book clearly claims at its beginning to be by John. I could give a ton of proof from conservative scholars about this, men who are even more educated than Ehrman.

And "Jesus died as a criminal" is false, as Ben said. The three trials that condemned Him were illegal by Jewish and Roman law. If someone is executed under an illegal sentence, they are not a criminal. So you would be much more correct to say, "Jesus died being accused as a criminal."

And The Dummies (sic) Guide to Christianity. Really? Can't find it on Amazon. Must not exist. Stop. Just stop.

 

[Ben1445]

The then government killed him as a criminal . Christians hid and preached with the risk of death and torture for speaking His teachings . That is why the stories change, the missing gospels book shows how the one chapter on the money traders was removed because that apostle recorded it as Jesus beating up the money traders and the church did not want to depict Jesus as a fighter,

This is all speculation.

 

[John of Japan]

The then government killed him as a criminal . Christians hid and preached with the risk of death and torture for speaking His teachings . That is why the stories change, the missing gospels book shows how the one chapter on the money traders was removed because that apostle recorded it as Jesus beating up the money traders and the church did not want to depict Jesus as a fighter,

What in the world are you talking about? There is no "missing gospel." Are you talking about the phantom oral tradition of "Q", which exists in no document? And the "one chapter on the money traders" was never "removed." it exists in the 4th century Vaticanus manuscript of the NT.

For crying out loud, stop posting lies. I know these are not your lies, but you're getting them from an evil opponent of Christianity, an apostate so-called "scholar."

 

[John of Japan]

The greatest proof of the reality and power of the Word of God, the Bible, is how it changes people. In Japan I was the thrilled spectator of how the Word of God changed U. San, a Yakuza gangster and head of a drug pushing gang. Even before he trusted Christ as Savior he loved the Bible and was willing to study it with me every week. Eventually he trusted Christ as Savior during one of those Bible studies, and ceased all criminal activity. He love his Bible so much that he would sleep with it!

Someone should ask Bart Ehrman if his wicked books, full of lies, have ever changed a single criminal into a God-fearing and good citizen!

 

[KevinThrowe]

What in the world are you talking about? There is no "missing gospel." Are you talking about the phantom oral tradition of "Q", which exists in no document? And the "one chapter on the money traders" was never "removed." it exists in the 4th century Vaticanus manuscript of the NT.

For crying out loud, stop posting lies. I know these are not your lies, but you're getting them from an evil opponent of Christianity, an apostate so-called "scholar."

Please read the books . 12 apostle and 4 major books in the NT thus there is more written. That is why going to the library and reading lots of books on Christianity is important .

 

[John of Japan]

Please read the books . 12 apostle and 4 major books in the NT thus there is more written. That is why going to the library and reading lots of books on Christianity is important .

Are you kidding me? LOL! I read books on Christianity all the time. I'm a professor of Greek, theology, and missions in our Bible college and of theology and Bible translation in our seminary, and I have read copious books to keep up with the disciplines I teach. Also, I'm currently taking a doctoral course for which I have to read 2000 pages! Is that enough for you?

Your problem is that you are reading books on Christianity by evil atheists! I suggest that you read some of the 200 or more books on Christianity written by my grandfather, John R. Rice. See the bottom of this post for the biography I wrote about him, for which I read many books and articles. My bibliography has over 150 entries of books alone (not mentioning articles).

So, as the old saying is, "Don't teach your grandma to suck eggs." How many books have you read by genuine, born again Christians?

 

[John of Japan]

Please read the books . 12 apostle and 4 major books in the NT thus there is more written.

I can't even tell what you mean by this. Please communicate more clearly. You've been vague and ambiguous throughout this thread.

That is why going to the library and reading lots of books on Christianity is important .

I have my own library with 1000s of books; my son has his library with 1000s of scholarly works. (His office is next door to mine.) Our school library has 10s of 1000s of books on Christianity. So I really don't need to read the books you appear to be reading, like those trashy books by Bart Ehrman.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

In the year of living the Old Testament the guy told the story of being in the park with kids , a large man asked about his outfit, the guy tells of living as the Bible tells him to live, big guy asks about adultery. When author tells about the requirements of stoning the big guy said “ I’m an adulterer “ author tells of picking up pebbles and throwing at big guy. He feared the big man would hurt him but instead laughed and complimented his courage. Don’t hear much talk about biblical wisdom on adultery.

You are aware, I suppose, that the Lord Jesus Himself declared the judicial part of the O.T. law obsolete, though the seventh commandment remains in force (James 2:11 etc.). Christians are no longer (and haven't been for 2,000 years) stoning adulterers, but rather telling them, "Go and sin no more" (John 8:11).

 

[KevinThrowe]

You are aware, I suppose, that the Lord Jesus Himself declared the judicial part of the O.T. law obsolete, though the seventh commandment remains in force (James 2:11 etc.). Christians are no longer (and haven't been for 2,000 years) stoning adulterers, but rather telling them, "Go and sin no more" (John 8:11).

Always interesting the cherry picking of the people using the Bible. OT for Gay issue NT for adultery?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Always interesting the cherry picking of the people using the Bible. OT for Gay issue NT for adultery?

No. It is as I have said. Both adultery and homosexuality are named as sins in both Testaments, as you would know if you read them. But Christins no longer stone people for either of those sins, but follow our Lord in calling them to repentance. BTW, there is more on the subject of homosexuality in the NT than there is in the OT. Check it out.