Refugee Snakes

[Darrell C]

The solution has to involve some sort of safe places for them in their own land along with support sand guidance so that they can maintain those safe zones on their own.

That happened, but, everything worked for was lost when the troops were pulled out (Iraq).

The general public is going to have to be comfortable with a prolonged presence in countries where safety can be achieved for the people. And that is not likely to happen. Not when politicians can use it as a tool.

Read recently that Jordan has been asking for help with between 700,000 to a million refugees they have taken in (reports conflicted so not sure what the realistic number is), and has received nothing substantial. Instead of giving Iran at least 400 million, why not give aid to Jordan?

Secondly, a general thought in regards to the thread as a whole, something I don't think people consider often is that the terrorist that does get through is not coming here to necessarily commit a terrorist act, but, to indoctrinate and recruit. Think about it: that is going to be a more effective means of advancing hostilities.

And I hate to say it, but many Americans are easily influenced and are easy targets.

That, in my opinion, is the real danger. Their teachers getting into the country. And I don't think there is really going to be any effective means of identifying those who intend to engage in efforts like that.


God bless.

 

[Benjamin]

That happened, but, everything worked for was lost when the troops were pulled out (Iraq).

I would add to that that Iran has been very busy spreading the turmoil and I believe they are full aware of the benefits to their goals.

Secondly, a general thought in regards to the thread as a whole, something I don't think people consider often is that the terrorist that does get through is not coming here to necessarily commit a terrorist act, but, to indoctrinate and recruit. Think about it: that is going to be a more effective means of advancing hostilities.

And I hate to say it, but many Americans are easily influenced and are easy targets.

That, in my opinion, is the real danger. Their teachers getting into the country. And I don't think there is really going to be any effective means of identifying those who intend to engage in efforts like that.


God bless.

Exactly, its not just about them coming over here to kill us, although as I;ve said in this thread that many of the young being brought here are being with no respect for assimilating into our culture and may become radicalized by those teaching, indoctrinating and recruiting, as you you pointed out. This is the danger that threatens us the most and it seems some people just want to stick their heads in the sand - either that or as I have mentioned their true intent is the Progressive One World order at any cost.

 

[Darrell C]

I would add to that that Iran has been very busy spreading the turmoil and I believe they are full aware of the benefits to their goals.




Exactly, its not just about them coming over here to kill us, although as I;ve said in this thread that many of the young being brought here are being with no respect for assimilating into our culture and may become radicalized by those teaching, indoctrinating and recruiting, as you you pointed out. This is the danger that threatens us the most and it seems some people just want to stick their heads in the sand - either that or as I have mentioned their true intent is the Progressive One World order at any cost.

It's just common sense, in my view, to think that Radical Muslims have seen enough James Bond movies to understand the concept of inserting an operative in an enemy country. The guy that is going to come here and do real damage is going to get through the vetting process, assimilate into the culture, and when established...create the harm intended. Kind of like serial killers: its always said "He seemed so normal!"

I think there is good reason to take a close look at the vetting process under Obama, who was seriously sympathetic to Islam. I still shake my head over him giving money to Iran. Some have speculated the actual amount as being over a billion.

Iran is no question an instigator and probably behind more than we know.


God bless.

 

[Benjamin]

I think there is good reason to take a close look at the vetting process under Obama, who was seriously sympathetic to Islam. I still shake my head over him giving money to Iran. Some have speculated the actual amount as being over a billion.

Iran is no question an instigator and probably behind more than we know.


God bless.

Yes, Obama was/is a radical Progressive ideological warrior and his funding Iran who is on their mission fits the pattern quite well of being "sympathetic" to Islam.

 

[Benjamin]

You do not want to hear anything that may challenge your be life system. Listin to him, it's very well put.

If everyone to a stance like you another's ideas we are all lost.

Yes, I saw this video about a year ago and the logic is undeniable that the problem can't be solved by bringing them over here.

 

[InTheLight]

It's just common sense, in my view, to think that Radical Muslims have seen enough James Bond movies to understand the concept of inserting an operative in an enemy country.

 

[Benjamin]

Iran is no question an instigator and probably behind more than we know.


God bless.

I would say I believe Trump's administration knows full well about Iran's instigation and I highly expect this will be dealt harshly with and soon.

 

[Don]

I challenge everyone here to watch this video and reflect on it

He starts with the statement "some people believe...."

Who are these people? How many is "some"? Is it more than a few? Less than a bunch?

And why does he feel the need to negate a policy on what "some" people say, when "some" is clearly not a majority?

For so-called logic, I didn't actually see any.

BTW: I'm an independent, leaning towards libertarian. Not republican, nor democrat.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

He starts with the statement "some people believe...."

Who are these people? How many is "some"? Is it more than a few? Less than a bunch?

And why does he feel the need to negate a policy on what "some" people say, when "some" is clearly not a majority?

For so-called logic, I didn't actually see any.

BTW: I'm an independent, leaning towards libertarian. Not republican, nor democrat.

OK, I hear you. What's you take then? Do you want to keep bring them over here? All, a few, a few million? Where do we stop? Do we stop at the point we have changed as a nation?

 

[Don]

Yes, I saw this video about a year ago and the logic is undeniable that the problem can't be solved by bringing them over here.

What problem, exactly, are *we* trying to solve?

I was a product of media indictrination and total misunderstanding by Army-sponsored instructors. I spent my first couple of months doing my job: "teaching/mentoring" my counterpart how to "properly" do things.

Just before the Afghan election in 2009, he asked for radios. I told him he should have asked me six months prior. The next day when I met with him, he told me he went out and got the radios himself. He could have done that all along; he just wanted to see if we would do it, so he wouldn't have to pay for it out of his budget--the same thing we do.

There's very, very little we need to "teach" them.

I believe our immigration system was working fine until Obama mucked with it. I encourage immigration; if intellectual capital makes our country more valuable, it's an investment I fully support. If other countries want to keep their intellectual capital, then they should work on their incentive and reward systems to keep that intellectual capital. And if we have people who would rather move elsewhere, then we should look at our own incentive and reward systems, to ensure we're obtaining and retaining the best and the brightest, that will truly help this nation continue to be the greatest nation o earth.

 

[Benjamin]

What problem, exactly, are *we* trying to solve?

Millions upon millions of displaced refugees because their lands are being overrun by terrorists Islamic rulers. Are "we" and others are not trying to solve it by stepping up immigration to the point of losing control in our counties? That’s the problem and it is getting worse. The solution is NOT taking in as many we can for several reasons. Concerning the video it demonstrates that the sheer numbers, which are currently only growing, make it impossible to take enough in enough to even make difference, THUS it does not "solve" the problem.

Yes, our immigration system would operate fine IF the world wasn’t in such turmoil. But the fact is not only us but many other counties are being overrun with immigrants and not only that but a large of these immigrants have NO DESIRE TO ASSILILATE INTO THE VALUES AND CULTURES OF THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE ALLOWED INTO, THUS YET ANOTHER PROBLEM. Is this causing havoc and is getting worse and out of control, yes. AND Yes, Obama added to the problem by not only allowing for it and even causing it to spread but by underhandedly funding it, for God knows why!

Does the fact that some brilliant minds being a value to our nation change this problem, NO. Does denying the problem(s) make it go away, NO. Is our desire to allow the tired and hungry immigrants into our country that yearn to breathe free in any way going to be a solution to the problems which I have stated are issues which must be considered and yet are being ignored, NO!! Again, does ignoring these issues, such as the lack of desire to assimilate, the overwhelming numbers, the preservation of our values and culture (...of the "Greatest Nation on Earth") all get overridden by a mere bleeding heart plea for allowing immigration at any cost even attempt deal with these issues? Well, I haven’t seen one person in this thread do so, they just attempt to broadcast some sort of emotional moral superiority to support their argument to allow immigration with their heads in the sand.

 

[Benjamin]

Regarding the cultural norm of the people (“typical local populous”) that wish to flood into our Home Land of which some don’t seem to want discourage by limiting based on the impact it could have upon our culture. Give a listen to this guy that lives Iraq, one of the countries currently put on hold until a better vetting process can be put in place:

 

[Don]

Millions upon millions of displaced refugees because their lands are being overrun by terrorists Islamic rulers. Are "we" and others are not trying to solve it by stepping up immigration to the point of losing control in our counties? That’s the problem and it is getting worse. The solution is NOT taking in as many we can for several reasons. Concerning the video it demonstrates that the sheer numbers, which are currently only growing, make it impossible to take enough in enough to even make difference, THUS it does not "solve" the problem.

You address a different problem than the video does. The video, as I recall, makes the case that we're trying to help them escape poverty. You describe us as trying to help them escape tyranny.

I agree with your position if the subject is poverty. If the subject is tyranny, then I suggest we not only help them, but we also do more about the tyrants to remove their threat.

Yes, our immigration system would operate fine IF the world wasn’t in such turmoil. But the fact is not only us but many other counties are being overrun with immigrants and not only that but a large of these immigrants have NO DESIRE TO ASSILILATE INTO THE VALUES AND CULTURES OF THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE ALLOWED INTO, THUS YET ANOTHER PROBLEM. Is this causing havoc and is getting worse and out of control, yes. AND Yes, Obama added to the problem by not only allowing for it and even causing it to spread but by underhandedly funding it, for God knows why!

Agreed.

Does the fact that some brilliant minds being a value to our nation change this problem, NO. Does denying the problem(s) make it go away, NO. Is our desire to allow the tired and hungry immigrants into our country that yearn to breathe free in any way going to be a solution to the problems which I have stated are issues which must be considered and yet are being ignored, NO!! Again, does ignoring these issues, such as the lack of desire to assimilate, the overwhelming numbers, the preservation of our values and culture (...of the "Greatest Nation on Earth") all get overridden by a mere bleeding heart plea for allowing immigration at any cost even attempt deal with these issues? Well, I haven’t seen one person in this thread do so, they just attempt to broadcast some sort of emotional moral superiority to support their argument to allow immigration with their heads in the sand.

Who in this thread has been advocating for allowing immigration at any cost?

If you'll review the thread, the issue was with the over-generalized characterization of people.

 

[InTheLight]

You address a different problem than the video does. The video, as I recall, makes the case that we're trying to help them escape poverty. You describe us as trying to help them escape tyranny.

I agree with your position if the subject is poverty. If the subject is tyranny, then I suggest we not only help them, but we also do more about the tyrants to remove their threat.

Absolutely nailed it.

Who in this thread has been advocating for allowing immigration at any cost?

No one. And no one is suggesting millions of refugees should be allowed in.

But strawmen gotta be built and then torn down.




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[Benjamin]

You address a different problem than the video does. The video, as I recall, makes the case that we're trying to help them escape poverty. You describe us as trying to help them escape tyranny.

Whether poverty or tyranny my point was that the video demonstrates that by the sheer numbers of the world’s population that these kinds of issues can’t be solved by bringing them over here. In fact it doesn’t even out a dent in the “problem(s)”.

I agree with your position if the subject is poverty. If the subject is tyranny, then I suggest we not only help them, but we also do more about the tyrants to remove their threat.

Whether poverty or tyranny people are dying in great numbers and still my point stands that the solution is not bringing them over here due to the overwhelming numbers. That said, as predicted you’ve ignored the other issues of the danger of bringing large numbers of them over here which I CLEARLY spelled out and challenged you to NOT to ignore. To call that (bringing troublesome numbers over here in light of my raised issues) “helping them” is like calling throwing a bucket of water on a house fire “help”. As for your “but” I totally agree that removing the threat is a viable solution. I would suggest starting by building safe zones for those people over there first BUT I would not suggest bringing them here AND I given my (once again, ignored) reasons.

Agreed

You might agree but you did not address the issues I raised which affect your argument's conclusion.

Who in this thread has been advocating for allowing immigration at any cost?

Whoever sticks their head in the sand on the issues I’ve raised while ignoring the dangers I’ve spelled out in this thread.

If you'll review the thread, the issue was with the over-generalized characterization of people.

If you’ll review the thread the issue is the dangers of bringing large groups of them into our home land while under-estimating the character, values and culture pf those people and the effects it will have on our ("Greatest Nation on Earth") culture – which is abundantly evident as an example if one honestly observes the undeniable devastating effects it is having on the European Union Nations' cultures.

 

[Benjamin]

Absolutely nailed it.





No one. And no one is suggesting millions of refugees should be allowed in.

But strawmen gotta be built and then torn down.




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I’m not going to waste my time going into detail to explain to you why another one of your “clueless” attempts to call a fallacy has merely once again demonstrated that you don’t understand what you’re talking about, but here’s a hint: I did not misrepresent my opponent’s view because I did not say nor did I imply that position was to bring in millions upon millions of refugees – I said the refugees we are bringing in will NOT solve the problem because of how many there are makes solving that problem impossible as was demonstrated number-wise in the video. Other issues are involved after that but I KNOW you wouldn't be able to follow in that depth, so...

Now, what I think should be embarrassing once again for you, is that you don’t even realize is that it is clear that in fact you have misrepresented my position by incorrectly saying I misrepresented your/his position and therefore once again while you've made a feeble attempt to call out a strawman you've hilariously ended up making one yourself in the process through misrepresenting my position. At this point I'd say, shame on you, but probably better I give you the benefit of doubt that it could be your ignorance of fallacy terms and meanings rather than an intentional disingenuously misrepresentation of my position, so... .

 

[HankD]

I'm sure Jesus is proud of your cleverness for comparing people He cares for - and specifically calls His people to care for - to snakes.

There is coming a day when He will talk to you about this and many other things.

Hmm, isn't that what Jesus call them who would eventually murder Him?

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Islamic terrorists chop off heads, crucify, shoot, stab, blow up, drown folks in cages - I think they qualify also.

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hmm, isn't that what Jesus call them who would eventually murder Him?

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Islamic terrorists chop off heads, crucify, shoot, stab, blow up, drown folks in cages - I think they qualify also.

HankD

So, you are equating refugees to Islamic terrorists......Really?

 

[HankD]

So, you are equating refugees to Islamic terrorists......Really?

No, read the post at the end of American "Christianity" has failed (#33).

HankD

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No, read the post at the end of American "Christianity" has failed (#33)

FORGET That ....read Don's Commentaries----#53; I believe & whatever else he said on this embarrassing thread