Regarding Romans 3:25 ...

[alexander284]

Regarding Romans 3:25 ...

Which term do you prefer (and why):

"sacrifice of atonement,"

"propitiation,"

"mercy seat,"

"expiation."

 

[Yeshua1]

Regarding Romans 3:25 ...

Which term do you prefer (and why):

"sacrifice of atonement,"

"propitiation,"

"mercy seat,"

"expiation."

The term already used in versions such as kjv and nas!
starts with a P!

 

[Van]

Here is the NASB rendering of the verse:
Romans 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

The Greek form of the word (noun) is used to indicate the place where the propitiation occurs. Hence the NET "mercy seat."

The choice I prefer is "propitiatory shelter" such that the linkage to 1 John 2:2 is maintained.

I think the idea is to explain how God demonstrated His righteous when forgiving our sins by setting fothr as the propitiatory shelter, Christ covered with His own blood high and lifted up, with entry obtainable through faith in His sacrifice.

 

[Yeshua1]

Here is the NASB rendering of the verse:
Romans 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

The Greek form of the word (noun) is used to indicate the place where the propitiation occurs. Hence the NET "mercy seat."

The choice I prefer is "propitiatory shelter" such that the linkage to 1 John 2:2 is maintained.

I think the idea is to explain how God demonstrated His righteous when forgiving our sins by setting fothr as the propitiatory shelter, Christ covered with His own blood high and lifted up, with entry obtainable through faith in His sacrifice.

he Himself is how we access to God, not our faith!

 

[Yeshua1]

Regarding Romans 3:25 ...

Which term do you prefer (and why):

"sacrifice of atonement,"

"propitiation,"

"mercy seat,"

"expiation."

Know those who have advocated for other terms to be used were upset with idea that God had Jesus suffer and endure His wrath while upon the Cross...
Such as CH Dodd on the Rsv....

 

[Rippon2]

Know those who have advocated for other terms to be used were upset with idea that God had Jesus suffer and endure His wrath while upon the Cross...
Such as CH Dodd on the Rsv....

You're referring to the word expiation. But you have no right to claim that translations which don't use the word propitiation have been "upset with the idea that God had Jesus suffer and endure His wrath while on the cross." That's just blatantly false.

 

[Yeshua1]

You're referring to the word expiation. But you have no right to claim that translations which don't use the word propitiation have been "upset with the idea that God had Jesus suffer and endure His wrath while on the cross." That's just blatantly false.

CH Dodd himself expressed grave concerns and issues with wrath of God when used in relation to Jesus and His Cross....
Propitiation
Which in modern times flowed right into how NT Wright sees this , as he really dislikes wrath of God vocabulary also!

 

[Rippon2]

CH Dodd himself expressed grave concerns and issues with wrath of God when used in relation to Jesus and His Cross....
Propitiation
Which in modern times flowed right into how NT Wright sees this , as he really dislikes wrath of God vocabulary also!

Once again, you have demonstrated that though you quote an entire post of mine the content eludes you. The above has nothing to do with what I said. It is irrelevant.

 

[Yeshua1]

Once again, you have demonstrated that though you quote an entire post of mine the content eludes you. The above has nothing to do with what I said. It is irrelevant.

You denied that he had problems with using wrath of God language, and I showed that he did!

 

[Rippon2]

You denied that he had problems with using wrath of God language, and I showed that he did!

I did no such thing. It's hard to believe that you are merely making mistakes and have reading comprehension problems. Read my post # 6 again, and don't lie about it.

 

[Yeshua1]

I did no such thing. It's hard to believe that you are merely making mistakes and have reading comprehension problems. Read my post # 6 again, and don't lie about it.

I just did, and the reason those like Dodd water that term down is indeed due to them not liking the truth of Gods wrath on Jesus on that Cross!

 

[Rippon2]

I just did, and the reason those like Dodd water that term down is indeed due to them not liking the truth of Gods wrath on Jesus on that Cross!

You are as wrong as can be. You are charging the translation teams of about twelve prominent versions that because the word propitiation isn't used -- that there must be a dilution of the doctrine. You are completely wrong --sinfully so. You post way too much while you could put your time to better use in actually reading with attention, meditating on God's Word, and repenting for your vigorous fibs.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are as wrong as can be. You are charging the translation teams of about twelve prominent versions that because the word propitiation isn't used -- that there must be a dilution of the doctrine. You are completely wrong --sinfully so. You post way too much while you could put your time to better use in actually reading with attention, meditating on God's Word, and repenting for your vigorous fibs.

You disagree that Dodd and Wright, just THEM, have issues with using God wrath towards Jesus terminology?

 

[Rippon2]

You disagree that Dodd and Wright, just THEM, have issues with using God wrath towards Jesus terminology?

Your ignorant posts don't deserve a reply. I have said everything that needs to be said to anyone with an honest eye.

 

[rlvaughn]

Regarding Romans 3:25 ...

Which term do you prefer (and why):

Propitiation.

Got my vote in; will try to return to the why later.

 

[Yeshua1]

Your ignorant posts don't deserve a reply. I have said everything that needs to be said to anyone with an honest eye.

Glad to see that you are still practicing charity towards each other!

 

[HankD]

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

propitiation : the appeasement of the wrath of God toward sin.

 

[Rippon2]

Romans 3:25
atoning sacrifice : CSB, Mounce and WEB
mercy-seat : Darby, LEB, NET
place of mercy : KNT
throne of mercy : GW
sacrifice of atonement : NIV
sacrifice for sin : NLT
reconciling sacrifice : MLB
sacrifice for reconciliation : NJB
AAT : sacrifice of reconciliation

Hebrews 2:17
make atonement for the sins of the people : CSB, KNT, LEB, NET, NIV, WEB
atone for the people's sins : ISV
make a sacrifice of atonement s of the people : NRSV
for the atonement of the people's sins : MLB
making atonement for the sins of the people : Norlie

1 John 2:2
the sacrifice that atones for our sins : NLT
an atoning sacrifice for our sins : MLB
the atonement for our sins : Norlie
an atoning sacrifice for our sins : AAT
the atoning sacrifice for our sins : NIV, CSB, ISV, NET, NRSV, WEB

1 John 4:10
an atoning sacrifice for our sins : MLB, AAT, ISV, NET, NRSV, WEB, CSB, NIV
the atoning sacrifice for our sins : Norlie

 

[HankD]

We shrink from the reality that the Son of God had to endure the wrath of God in our place because this reality destroys any hope that there is any righteousness in us and no hope whatsoever for us apart from His agony satisfying the wrath of the Father for the horror of our sin.

 

[Rippon2]

From the 1996 edition of the NLT :

"For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us." (Romans 3:25a)