convicted1
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They're in my bible. Funny thing though, I didn't know that they published those chapters in Crayolas.... :laugh:
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They're in my bible. Funny thing though, I didn't know that they published those chapters in Crayolas.... :laugh:
freeatlast
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I am not sure what bible you use, but throw it away. The bible does not teach what you keep saying. Paul never mentioned being filled with the spirit in Gal. He is talking about what our walk is determined by. The law or the Spirit. We are told what it is like in EPH. 5:18 to be filled with the Spirit not in Gal. In gal 5 13-26 Paul is dealing with a contrast with those who want to be under law and those who are under grace.
No Christian can practice sin as they are kept from it by the seed of God that abides in them.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (Practice) sin, because he is born of God.
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i prefer to keep my edition, as yours seems to be the Judaizers edition!
Paul contrasts again in gal what life looks like if as believers we live in the flesh, and try to keep the law, with living by faith, in power of the HS!
freeatlast
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No Paul is not talking about you want him to talk about. He is talking about those who try and justify themselves by law against those who are justified by faith. Get rid of that old thing you call a bible as it must be a counterfeit.
convicted1
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Look, the outside is a reflection of the inside(most of the time). If you see someone continually doing things they shouldn't, you'd best put an "x" on him/her. The Spirit does a "whoa boy" when we stray, and brings our flesh back in line. If someone needs a "whoa boy" all the time due to continually sinning, put a big ole "x" on'em.
freeatlast
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:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
What would you tell someone who knows that the Grace of God has saved them received jesus and HS dwells in them, but still having problems dealing with a particular sin area/weakness?
"Go get saved all over again?"
FAL, we do know the man living with his father's wife was saved.
1 Cor 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
God will chastize a believer who sins, and if a believer sins long enough, or commits serious sin like fornication it can cost him his life.
But this man was saved, notice Paul spoke of his spirit being saved in the day of the Lord.
This man later turned from this sin and was restored to the church, (2 Cor 2:7) but we do not know how long he lived in sin. Most scholars believe 2 Corinthians was written 1-2 years after 1 Corinthians.
But it is difficult not to call living with your father's wife practicing sin. This would be continuous sin as long as he lived with her.
I am not condoning sin whatsoever, just pointing out your viewpoint is not necessarily scriptural. Christians can get caught up in sin, yet they do not lose their salvation, but they may lose their health or life, and certainly lose rewards.
1 Cor 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
God will chastize a believer who sins, and if a believer sins long enough, or commits serious sin like fornication it can cost him his life.
But this man was saved, notice Paul spoke of his spirit being saved in the day of the Lord.
This man later turned from this sin and was restored to the church, (2 Cor 2:7) but we do not know how long he lived in sin. Most scholars believe 2 Corinthians was written 1-2 years after 1 Corinthians.
But it is difficult not to call living with your father's wife practicing sin. This would be continuous sin as long as he lived with her.
I am not condoning sin whatsoever, just pointing out your viewpoint is not necessarily scriptural. Christians can get caught up in sin, yet they do not lose their salvation, but they may lose their health or life, and certainly lose rewards.
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freeatlast
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NO I would try and help them find out why they are having that problem, show them how to have victory over it and pray for them.
freeatlast
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What tense is this passage?
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Paul is not saying the person is saved. Look at the tense. He is being turned over so he may be saved, not because he is saved.
Believe what you want FAL, Paul wrote later to forgive this man and accept him back into fellowship.
freeatlast
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You keep saying things that are not in the bible or cannot be clearly proven by what is given. Show me in the bible.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11)
--He was called a brother (in Christ), and so he was. He was to be treated as one.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? (1 Corinthians 5:12)
--Do you exercise discipline on all the unsaved fornicators? You would be awful busy wouldn't you? This man was a brother, a member of the church. He was saved.
So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. (2 Corinthians 2:7)
--He had repented. But it was hard to receive such a one back into the fellowship. That is human nature. When someone causes a scandal in the church the church members are reluctant to receive that one whom they have disfellowshipp back in. This is what Paul is urging them to do. Forgive him. God has. He has repented. If you don't take him back "such a one would be swallowed up with too much sorrow."
He was a brother in the Lord who had repented from his sin.
Any Christian can sin. They are capable (like David) of heinous sin, if their walk is not right with the Lord. If that be the case they need to be restored back to fellowship.
The entire book of Hebrews is written to backslidden Jewish Christians who needed to be restored to the Lord. Hebrews 12 especially is a key chapter here. Why would Paul spend most of chapter on the chastening of his children if they didn't go astray?
Great Point DHK, and I Believe this Post is About....
.....20+ pages beyond the maximum allowed. Maybe it should be wrapped, tied in a pretty bow, and put under the tree for Christmas (Gee! I hope my mention of Christmas, Christmas trees, and gifts didn't offend any legalist on the board?).
Say good night Gracie!" :thumbs:
.....20+ pages beyond the maximum allowed. Maybe it should be wrapped, tied in a pretty bow, and put under the tree for Christmas (Gee! I hope my mention of Christmas, Christmas trees, and gifts didn't offend any legalist on the board?).
Say good night Gracie!" :thumbs:
freeatlast
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I have always said a Christian can sin, but as scripture teaches we cannot practice sin. If you notice in 1 Cor 5 it says "if any man that is called a brother." It does not say they are a brother, just that they are called one. If you notice in the same book in chapter 6 it reads;
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you:
The passage in 2 Cor 2:7 is so vague we cannot even know who or what is being spoken about. What we can know is that the person was not living in (practicing ) sin. I would make one more point. In what we call the second letter to the Corinthian church Paul questions their salvation in the last chapter and tells them to examine themselves.
So, I like Paul say to you and to all;
Be not deceived.
Apostle Paul was referencing that those whose sin nature came out in those behaviours were not saved by grace of God, as they were doing the deeds of the flesh, habitual/not repentant behaviour...
saved persons coming out from that, cleansed and washed by the blood of Christ, could still go back to do on a one time basis, maybe for a season, but WILL confess/repent and come back to God, TAHT is the point of both paul/John!
BOTH saved/unsaved still capable of sinning against God, Big difference is that Christians will repent/confess come back to God, while sinners still stay in it!
Please do not deny the Scriptures at this point. He that is called a brother is expressed that way to differentiate between "he that is in the world." Read the rest of the post, and the rest of the chapter. Every verse points to him as a brother. The church (made up of baptized born again believers) does not exercise discipline over unsaved individuals. That doesn't make sense FAL.
The unsaved don't come to Christ by forsaking or repenting of just one sin in their life. That is what he did.
The church does not admit unbelievers into their assembly on the basis of repenting over one sin of immorality. That is not salvation. These are the conclusions you would have us believe??
The person that repented over this immoral sin, that had lived this way, was a believer. He "was called a brother" (in Christ). At some time he repented (2Cor.2:7). The church needed Paul's encouragement to help receive him back again. It is the same person. He repented of his sin.
Are you saying it is impossible for a believer to repent?
That is a tough and unbiblical position to take. It seems that the one that would take that position would believe in anomianism (no law). "Shall we sin that grace may abound?" Hey, why not!! We don't have to repent. FAL says so! The fact is he did repent.
And such were some of you. That doesn't mean a person cannot repeat the same sin.
Then what was he practicing? Grace?
Why was he about to be swallowed up in much sorrow?
Why were the Corinthians reluctant and having a hard time accepting him back into the fellowship of the church?
Was it grace or sin that he was practicing? Which one?
And so should we. They were brothers and sisters in Christ. Some of them were carnal and backslidden--so much so that some of them were weak, and some sick, and God had killed others (1Cor.11:30). He chastises his own children. As a child of God, you may sin. But if you do, the hand of the Lord will be upon you and discipline you, and you will know it. Study Hebrews 12.
Good advice. Please take it.
No, he was "called a brother" and because he was living in unrepentant sin, they were not really a brother. We were to treat them as if they were not saved because they are acting like an unsaved person. He wa "called" a brother, but wasn't really one. He was not saved.
"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV)
Repentance is the difference.
First, it's a very nieve thing to think that everyone that's a member of a church is truly born again. Church discipline is to restore believers to repentance. If they don't repent, we are to treat them as unsaved. This person was not saved. Paul was very clear in his wording. He says "called a brother" or "bears the name brother." This alone is a clue that we are dealing with someone that isn't really a brother but is just "called" one. In the end, it says they are an "evil person." We are to "purge" them from among us because they are not a believer but really an outsider.
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freeatlast
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DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you
There is no sin nature in the believer.
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