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freeatlast

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Please do not deny the Scriptures at this point. He that is called a brother is expressed that way to differentiate between "he that is in the world." Read the rest of the post, and the rest of the chapter. Every verse points to him as a brother. The church (made up of baptized born again believers) does not exercise discipline over unsaved individuals. That doesn't make sense FAL.
The unsaved don't come to Christ by forsaking or repenting of just one sin in their life. That is what he did.
The church does not admit unbelievers into their assembly on the basis of repenting over one sin of immorality. That is not salvation. These are the conclusions you would have us believe??
The person that repented over this immoral sin, that had lived this way, was a believer. He "was called a brother" (in Christ). At some time he repented (2Cor.2:7). The church needed Paul's encouragement to help receive him back again. It is the same person. He repented of his sin.
Are you saying it is impossible for a believer to repent?
That is a tough and unbiblical position to take. It seems that the one that would take that position would believe in anomianism (no law). "Shall we sin that grace may abound?" Hey, why not!! We don't have to repent. FAL says so! The fact is he did repent.

And such were some of you. That doesn't mean a person cannot repeat the same sin.

Then what was he practicing? Grace?
Why was he about to be swallowed up in much sorrow?
Why were the Corinthians reluctant and having a hard time accepting him back into the fellowship of the church?
Was it grace or sin that he was practicing? Which one?

And so should we. They were brothers and sisters in Christ. Some of them were carnal and backslidden--so much so that some of them were weak, and some sick, and God had killed others (1Cor.11:30). He chastises his own children. As a child of God, you may sin. But if you do, the hand of the Lord will be upon you and discipline you, and you will know it. Study Hebrews 12.

Good advice. Please take it.


Like the bible says;
DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you
 

JesusFan

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No, he was "called a brother" and because he was living in unrepentant sin, they were not really a brother. We were to treat them as if they were not saved because they are acting like an unsaved person. He wa "called" a brother, but wasn't really one. He was not saved.

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV)


Repentance is the difference.

First, it's a very nieve thing to think that everyone that's a member of a church is truly born again. Church discipline is to restore believers to repentance. If they don't repent, we are to treat them as unsaved. This person was not saved. Paul was very clear in his wording. He says "called a brother" or "bears the name brother." This alone is a clue that we are dealing with someone that isn't really a brother but is just "called" one. In the end, it says they are an "evil person." We are to "purge" them from among us because they are not a believer but really an outsider.

Think DHK is correct on this, as the Apostle paul was willing to have this person living in unrepentant sin excommunicated outside the church, and to be turned over to satan , in order to have him repent/come to his senses, in order that his soul might be saved by God...

Evidently, he confessed/repented/forsoke that sin practice, and paul admonished them to welcome him back, as he was coming back to the Lord!
 

JesusFan

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Like the bible says;
DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you

Again, all of those were ONLY living out their desires of the sin nature/flesh....

Not saved...

Saved came out of that lifestyle, no longer "habitually/continually" do that sin, but still can 'slip up" at times, and John says one shoudl confess to be restored again at that time!
 

JesusFan

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DO NOT BE DECEIVED!
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you

There is no sin nature in the believer.

what causes us to still sin then after saved by God?

Apostle paul said that he still had one...

Do you have a "revelation" beyond what the Lord gave to Paul?
 

freeatlast

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Think DHK is correct on this, as the Apostle paul was willing to have this person living in unrepentant sin excommunicated outside the church, and to be turned over to satan , in order to have him repent/come to his senses, in order that his soul might be saved by God...

Evidently, he confessed/repented/forsoke that sin practice, and paul admonished them to welcome him back, as he was coming back to the Lord!

If he was saved then his soul was already saved and all this is a waste of time. No Christian leaves the Lord or practices sin.
If a person leaves they were never saved.
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 

freeatlast

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what causes us to still sin then after saved by God?

Apostle paul said that he still had one...

Do you have a "revelation" beyond what the Lord gave to Paul?

It is the same answer today as it was yesterday. We sin because we choose to, but no Christians chooses to practice sin because they are no longer able to do that.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.
 

JesusFan

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It is the same answer today as it was yesterday. We sin because we choose to, but no Christians chooses to practice sin because they are no longer able to do that.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot (practice) sin, because he is born of God.

Good, we can agree that its still possible for even Christians to still sin...

How long does one still do a particular sin before it grows into a "practice?"
 

freeatlast

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Good, we can agree that its still possible for even Christians to still sin...

How long does one still do a particular sin before it grows into a "practice?"

I have always said a believer can sin. For the answer to your question use the search feature and read all my posts.
 

jbh28

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Think DHK is correct on this, as the Apostle paul was willing to have this person living in unrepentant sin excommunicated outside the church, and to be turned over to satan , in order to have him repent/come to his senses, in order that his soul might be saved by God...

Evidently, he confessed/repented/forsoke that sin practice, and paul admonished them to welcome him back, as he was coming back to the Lord!

No, the person in the passage is unsaved. It says so in the passage as it calls them an "evil person." This is a very good passage on church discipline on what we do when one fails to repent of their sins.
 
No, he was "called a brother" and because he was living in unrepentant sin, they were not really a brother. We were to treat them as if they were not saved because they are acting like an unsaved person. He wa "called" a brother, but wasn't really one. He was not saved.

"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

(1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV)


Repentance is the difference.

First, it's a very nieve thing to think that everyone that's a member of a church is truly born again. Church discipline is to restore believers to repentance. If they don't repent, we are to treat them as unsaved. This person was not saved. Paul was very clear in his wording. He says "called a brother" or "bears the name brother." This alone is a clue that we are dealing with someone that isn't really a brother but is just "called" one. In the end, it says they are an "evil person." We are to "purge" them from among us because they are not a believer but really an outsider.



Very good post!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
No, the person in the passage is unsaved. It says so in the passage as it calls them an "evil person." This is a very good passage on church discipline on what we do when one fails to repent of their sins.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

jbh28

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Good, we can agree that its still possible for even Christians to still sin...

How long does one still do a particular sin before it grows into a "practice?"

It's not a matter of a certain number. John(the one that said it) didn't say because that's missing the point. A Christian can sin. We still have the flesh. The difference is that we now have the spirit. We have been set free of the bondage of sin can now do right. Will we always? no, of course not. A mark of a true believer is that he will repent. That's why in church discipline you "purge the evil one" when someone refuses to repent. We are to treat them as an unbeliever because they are acting like one.
 
It's not a matter of a certain number. John(the one that said it) didn't say because that's missing the point. A Christian can sin. We still have the flesh. The difference is that we now have the spirit. We have been set free of the bondage of sin can now do right. Will we always? no, of course not. A mark of a true believer is that he will repent. That's why in church discipline you "purge the evil one" when someone refuses to repent. We are to treat them as an unbeliever because they are acting like one.


I have called people "Brother" or "Sister" and then found out they weren't.
Just because they give a confession, and are immersed in the H2O is no guarantee that they are saved. If any man "called a Brother", not "if a Brother", does such a thing......major difference in Paul's wording.....
 

jbh28

Active Member
I have called people "Brother" or "Sister" and then found out they weren't.
Just because they give a confession, and are immersed in the H2O is no guarantee that they are saved. If any man "called a Brother", not "if a Brother", does such a thing......major difference in Paul's wording.....

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Figured I would return the thumbsup!
 

JesusFan

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It's not a matter of a certain number. John(the one that said it) didn't say because that's missing the point. A Christian can sin. We still have the flesh. The difference is that we now have the spirit. We have been set free of the bondage of sin can now do right. Will we always? no, of course not. A mark of a true believer is that he will repent. That's why in church discipline you "purge the evil one" when someone refuses to repent. We are to treat them as an unbeliever because they are acting like one.

Sounds right to me!

Would you agree with me that the Bible teaches confession for saints in order to have our felowship restored to God?
 

Amy.G

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Sounds right to me!

Would you agree with me that the Bible teaches confession for saints in order to have our felowship restored to God?

I would agree. (Although you didn't ask me. :))

It works this way in any relationship whether spouse, friend, or God.
 

Amy.G

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I have called people "Brother" or "Sister" and then found out they weren't.
Just because they give a confession, and are immersed in the H2O is no guarantee that they are saved. If any man "called a Brother", not "if a Brother", does such a thing......major difference in Paul's wording.....

I have too. Even my own husband. But now he claims there is no God. :tear:

Only God knows his heart, but to me he is the one who went out from among us because he was not one of us. (1 John 2:19)
 

JesusFan

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I have too. Even my own husband. But now he claims there is no God. :tear:

Only God knows his heart, but to me he is the one who went out from among us because he was not one of us. (1 John 2:19)

He needs to be kept in our prayers, as IF he was/is really saved by the lord, he will face terible chaistisement in this life, even to point of lose of life in order to save his soul!
 

freeatlast

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I have too. Even my own husband. But now he claims there is no God. :tear:

Only God knows his heart, but to me he is the one who went out from among us because he was not one of us. (1 John 2:19)

Amy I will pray for him to see the truth and be saved.
 
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