Remaining Roman Catholic

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The scripture is, but the understanding of the Gospel by Rome is not!

Someone once said you have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes in order to understand that person. You however, as much as I can ascertain regarding Catholics, have not bothered to even look for a shoehorn.

Perhaps this is a sign of the times in which we live, that we have become so narcissistic to our own ideas and moral compositions that we no longer consider the other guys viewpoints (a view from a point) and so we disregard it and perhaps we even call it disrespectful names in order to shame one another.

This Cannot be the agenda of a Loving Christian because Christ didn’t operate that way. I for one refuse to become anxious about anything because faith in Jesus is the very opposite of anxiety. If you are anxious, if your trying to control everything, if you are worried about many things, you don’t have faith, according to Jesus. You are not trusting that God is good and on your side.

And the giveaway is control. That’s a good litmus test of the quality of your faith. People of faith don’t have to control everything and they don’t have to change people. So Solis yourself with Matthew 6:33-34.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have to research it some to be certain how the church has historically viewed the issue and there are several statements by differing people that would hold one view and another, another view. However, Magisterium doesn't go back on what has been previously taught. What generally happens is that certain views maybe expressed differently by different people theologians, clergy, etc... But when the question is raised to and there becomes a dogmatic statement for the magisterium that settles it for good.

Interesting... this will take me time to consider

For those not conversant in the magisterium approach to RCC Doctrines, allow me to offer this....

The Magisterium or Teaching Authority of the Church

 

[Revmitchell]

How many Romans's do we have on this board?

 

[Yeshua1]

The understanding doesn't matter. A person just needs to hear the gospel and only God can provide the regeneration and gnostic understanding.

As is the current claim is if you are not elect you don't understand the gospel and you can't do anything good.

Only the elct can understand the Gospel in a saving sense, correct!

 

[Yeshua1]

If you don't adhere to one thing and one thing only as regards the Christian experience, you do not have the correct gospel. Our friend here only has Jesus in a book, we have Him in the flesh.

If you do not have Pauline Justifiaction , then you will ahve a false Jesus!

 

[Yeshua1]

".What if your child dies in infancy w/o being baptised, where is the child? With RC and Orthodox Presbyterianism (reformed church) you can pretty much guess the answer."

Don't ask a Nazi about what Jews believe.

Aren't they in Limbo, as per Rome?

 

[Yeshua1]

An observation based on years of participation on forums of various faith groups, and a knowledge of church history: The definition of a heretic is someone who believes other than what you do.

No, rather those who believe contary to what the Bible teaches!

 

[Yeshua1]

This is what the Catholic Church teaches about children who dies before baptism. "1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,”64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. (1257, 1250)"
Libreria Editrice Vaticana. Catechism of the Catholic Church. United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Limbo, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is that a recent stance or has that always been the RCC position?

The traditional stance was Limbo!

 

[Yeshua1]

How many Romans's do we have on this board?

Too many!

 

[Yeshua1]

Someone once said you have to walk a mile in someone’s shoes in order to understand that person. You however, as much as I can ascertain regarding Catholics, have not bothered to even look for a shoehorn.

Perhaps this is a sign of the times in which we live, that we have become so narcissistic to our own ideas and moral compositions that we no longer consider the other guys viewpoints (a view from a point) and so we disregard it and perhaps we even call it disrespectful names in order to shame one another.

This Cannot be the agenda of a Loving Christian because Christ didn’t operate that way. I for one refuse to become anxious about anything because faith in Jesus is the very opposite of anxiety. If you are anxious, if your trying to control everything, if you are worried about many things, you don’t have faith, according to Jesus. You are not trusting that God is good and on your side.

And the giveaway is control. That’s a good litmus test of the quality of your faith. People of faith don’t have to control everything and they don’t have to change people. So Solis yourself with Matthew 6:33-34.

The church of Rome reaches another Gospel, as it denies Pauline Justification, as it still saves holding to saved by grace alone/faith alone ia a heresy!

 

[steaver]

Interesting... this will take me time to consider

For those not conversant in the magisterium approach to RCC Doctrines, allow me to offer this....

The Magisterium or Teaching Authority of the Church

"By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops. Christ promised to protect the teaching of the Church : "He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me" (Luke 10. 16)."

If this is true, that the Catholic position of infallibility is based on Luke 10:16, then anyone who rejects the Catholic Magistrate rejects Jesus Christ and rejects the Father.

 

[Yeshua1]

"By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops. Christ promised to protect the teaching of the Church : "He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me" (Luke 10. 16)."

If this is true, that the Catholic position of infallibility is based on Luke 10:16, then anyone who rejects the Catholic Magistrate rejects Jesus Christ and rejects the Father.

They claim to have infallible understanding of the scriptures, same way as JW watchtower does!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The traditional stance was Limbo!

Yes... but they changed that somewhere. I’d like to know The Who, What, When and Where. Apparently the magisterium is static and ever moving. I don’t know how I feel about that frankly.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

"By the Magisterium we mean the teaching office of the Church. It consists of the Pope and Bishops. Christ promised to protect the teaching of the Church : "He who hears you, hears me; he who rejects you rejects me, he who rejects me, rejects Him who sent me" (Luke 10. 16)."

If this is true, that the Catholic position of infallibility is based on Luke 10:16, then anyone who rejects the Catholic Magistrate rejects Jesus Christ and rejects the Father.

That would be a biblical stance correct?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They claim to have infallible understanding of the scriptures, same way as JW watchtower does!

Same as you

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes... but they changed that somewhere. I’d like to know The Who, What, When and Where. Apparently the magisterium is static and ever moving. I don’t know how I feel about that frankly.

That sounds like thwe Mormons, who had God telling them no Blacks allowed to be Mormon priests and become gods, but in 1976, God reversed his mind and let Blacks now come in!

 

[Yeshua1]

Same as you

No, I only cliam to hold to Pauline Justification, and the biblical Gospel!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No, I only cliam to hold to Pauline Justification, and the biblical Gospel!

Oh so then you are a literalist.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Is that a recent stance or has that always been the RCC position?

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Baptism
:…baptism can be bestowed upon infants immediately after they are born, and in case of necessity even in their mother's womb.”

I knew two men who worked in the local Catholic Hospital; one a doctor, the other worked in maintenance, neither Catholic. Both testified that there were baptismal kits, including a syringe to be inserted into the womb if child was in eminent danger of dying.

If the wholly water is to be administered to the head in order to be effective, this would be a questionable procedure at best. Maybe good intentions would count.