Rep. Patrick Kennedy Denied Communion

[Tom Butler]

What is the net effect of the action by a Roman Catholic bishop to deny Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) communion?

The bishop cited Rep. Kennedy's pro-abortion position as the reason.

So, explain to me what the fallout is. Does this condemn Rep. Kennedy to hell? Or is he just in the doghouse temporarily?

 

[Matt Black]

In the doghouse. Not allowed to receive communion.

 

[DrRandyGrace]

I believe the Catholic church thinks the elements of communion to actually become the body and blood of Christ and thus view them as salvivic (sp?). Thus, to deny a catholic communion is to deny him/her salvation.

 

[Matt Black]

Yes and no - see here. Note that the excommunicate is deemed to remain a Christian.

 

[targus]

I believe the Catholic church thinks the elements of communion to actually become the body and blood of Christ and thus view them as salvivic (sp?). Thus, to deny a catholic communion is to deny him/her salvation.

First of all - no one can deny anyone salvation - salvation is of God only.

As I understand it Kennedy was denied communion because he publicly supports abortion - so he isn't in unity with his church anyway - so he shouldn't bother going to communion because he is not in communion with his church membership.

If anyone thinks that denying Kennedy communion is wrong - would your pastor want a member who is an abortionist to be receiving the Lord's Supper?

Would your pastor even allow an abortionist to be a member?

 

[saturneptune]

In the doghouse. Not allowed to receive communion.

Yep, that would really keep me awake at night, being denied communion by the Roman Catholic Cult. If I was Patrick, I would find something else to worry about. like his stance on abortion and his relationship with Jesus Christ.

To answer the op directly, being denied communion by the catholic church has about as much significance as the price of tea in China. Like, who cares?

 

[Matt Black]

You miss the point: the excommunication is a comment on his parlous relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

[saturneptune]

You miss the point: the excommunication is a comment on his parlous relationship with Jesus Christ.

No, I get the point exactly. The breath that was used by the catholic official that proclaimed Kennedy was not eligible for communion was a waste of time, energy and life tha the Lord had given someone. Instead of issuing worthless proclamations, why not spend the time preaching the Gospel. An evil entity saying anything about ones relationship with Jesus Christ is nothing but an exercise in futility.

 

[lori4dogs]

The 'Evil Empire' again. Ridiculous.

I'm spending my week with other Catholic Christians preparing for another evangelism retreat where many people both with some church background and no church background will be given an opportunity to meet Jesus and accept Him as Savior and Lord.

Not to worried about being a part of that kind of 'cult'.

 

[saturneptune]

And I am sure after the ones that came to salvation, they will be happy to know that the salvation will be real after they are baptized in the catholic church.

 

[BobRyan]

The 'Evil Empire' again. Ridiculous.

I'm spending my week with other Catholic Christians preparing for another evangelism retreat where many people both with some church background and no church background will be given an opportunity to meet Jesus and accept Him as Savior and Lord.

Not to worried about being a part of that kind of 'cult'.

Let's say for the sake of argument that there was no Lateran IV infallible Canon law calling for the "extermination" of heretics and Jews.

Let's say that all the RCC was known for -- all these centuries -- is the work you have described above. I would love it! What a blessing to mankind. Oh how different history would read today!

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

What is the net effect of the action by a Roman Catholic bishop to deny Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) communion?

The bishop cited Rep. Kennedy's pro-abortion position as the reason.

So, explain to me what the fallout is. Does this condemn Rep. Kennedy to hell? Or is he just in the doghouse temporarily?

1. Catholics in the U.S vote overwhelmingly for pro-abortion platforms.

2. Was Edward Kennedy denied communion? Is someone being inconsistent?

3. Are ALL pro-abortion RC politicians and supreme court justices being denied communion?

What gives?

Or is this a new policy and Patrick "just so happens" to be the unlucky "first guy in line" to suffer?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[saturneptune]

It is sort of like the no divorce policy. Give the church enough money and they can arrange an annulment

 

[lori4dogs]

It is sort of like the no divorce policy. Give the church enough money and they can arrange an annulment

I wonder where the Catholics came up with that 'no divorce policy'. They are Catholics so certainly it wouldn't have anything to do with the Bible or anything Jesus said would it?

 

[saturneptune]

I wonder where the Catholics came up with that 'no divorce policy'. They are Catholics so certainly it wouldn't have anything to do with the Bible or anything Jesus said would it?

Baptists do not condone divorce either, and many pastors will not perform second marriages. Jesus' teachings are quite clear. No divorce except for adultery, and there is no reason some marriages cannot be healed after that. Again, there is a vast difference between catholics and Baptists. Catholics say no divorce period, then, to get around their own ridiculous rule, they make annulment an option if the price is right. Baptist pastors do whatever they can to save a marriage. There is no church doctrine that says no divorce, as the state can grant one anyhow. There certainly is no double standard of annulment to make a no divorce policy appear pure. In the case of pastors that do perform second marriages, there is lots of factors taken into account as to the circumstances of the first, and a reasonable assurance the same problem will not happen again. God hates divorce as Scripture says, but it must be dealt with honestly.

Maybe if you would let your priests marry like the Bible says there would be lots less problems with them.

 

[lori4dogs]

SN said: "Catholics say no divorce period, then, to get around their own ridiculous rule, they make annulment an option if the price is right."

What is ridiculous about it? Read your bible.

BTW, annulments aren't for sale and not everyone who ask for one qualifys for one. It isn't about an amount of money and I have known people with no money who have been granted an annulment by the Catholic Church.

You also said, "There is no church doctrine that says no divorce, as the state can grant one anyhow." What happened to following the bible?

 

[lori4dogs]

SN: You also said, "Maybe if you would let your priests marry like the Bible says there would be lots less problems with them." Catholic priests in the Eastern Rite are allowed to marry.

Also, as far as your believing that all Catholic priests are "rotten to the core", the statistics gathered show that only 2% of Catholic priest have a tendecy toward pedophilia. That leaves 98% that do not. Any percent is not good but I'm not so sure that you wouldn't find 2% in other churches as well. I don't think it has a thing to do with celibacy IMHO.

 

[saturneptune]

SN said: "Catholics say no divorce period, then, to get around their own ridiculous rule, they make annulment an option if the price is right."

What is ridiculous about it? Read your bible.

BTW, annulments aren't for sale and not everyone who ask for one qualifys for one. It isn't about an amount of money and I have known people with no money who have been granted an annulment by the Catholic Church.

You also said, "There is no church doctrine that says no divorce, as the state can grant one anyhow." What happened to following the bible?

I do not know, what did? Write a letter to your sinless pope and ask him. You totally missed the point. God hates divorce. What seperates us from the Catholics is how we deal with it. Let me guess, if you are not married in the Catholic Church, you are not really married.

 

[lori4dogs]

I do not know, what did? Write a letter to your sinless pope and ask him. You totally missed the point. God hates divorce. What seperates us from the Catholics is how we deal with it. Let me guess, if you are not married in the Catholic Church, you are not really married.

There you go again. The 'sinless pope' comment. Where do you get the idea the pope is supposed to be sinless? What do you really know about Catholicism? Not much. You state so many absurd things about the faith. You just don't know what you are talking about.

You have also referred to Catholics as 'idiots'. Not a very good witness to Catholics or non-Christians who might visit this board.

And you guessed wrong about being married in the Catholic Church being the only marriage recognized.

 

[saturneptune]

SN: You also said, "Maybe if you would let your priests marry like the Bible says there would be lots less problems with them." Catholic priests in the Eastern Rite are allowed to marry.

Also, as far as your believing that all Catholic priests are "rotten to the core", the statistics gathered show that only 2% of Catholic priest have a tendecy toward pedophilia. That leaves 98% that do not. Any percent is not good but I'm not so sure that you wouldn't find 2% in other churches as well. I don't think it has a thing to do with celibacy IMHO.

You know, it is not the percentage that do commit that sin, as there has been similar acts done by leaders of Baptist churches. That is not the point. It gets back to the same pattern. The total depravity of the Catholic church is the point. How do they deal with these priests? Do they disfellowship them, or in modern language, fire them and turn them in to the authorities, no, they cover the crime up and transfer the offending priest so he can start in on a new set of children. The action of the church is much worse than any act the priest ever did.