Requesting elder authority/support regarding street evangelism

[annsni]

Well these are the arguments that keener makes. Does the Bible need to spell everything out for you? If a spouse shot the other in the leg, sold all your possessions, or became very mean and murdered someone and may murder you are these not grounds for divorce? Keener makes the reader think.

It might be grounds for separation and it might be grounds for divorce. It IS grounds for criminal prosecution and much prayer and trusting God that He can make all things new. But it still does not allow for remarriage, which is called "adultery" in the Bible unless the marriage ended due to death or adultery on the other person's part.

Oh and realize that most of these excuses...I mean arguments are for real honest abuse. Your wife not listening to you or not going to your church is not abuse.

 

[evangelist6589]

It might be grounds for separation and it might be grounds for divorce. It IS grounds for criminal prosecution and much prayer and trusting God that He can make all things new. But it still does not allow for remarriage, which is called "adultery" in the Bible unless the marriage ended due to death or adultery on the other person's part.

Oh and realize that most of these excuses...I mean arguments are for real honest abuse. Your wife not listening to you or not going to your church is not abuse.

You do not know all the details to the marriage.

 

[annsni]

Read the essay in the book. Anyway it was not my fault! She initiated the whole process I just finished it. My stress level, anxiety, and such were harmful being married to her. She was very verbally abusive at times, mistreated me and such. I finished the process that she initiated and so got out of a harmful marriage.

Were you a good husband to her? Did you sacrificially love her as Christ loved the church? How much abuse has Christ taken from us and yet still stayed with us? I've counseled many women in abuse situations and in the majority of cases, they have stayed unless it was a physical abuse situation. In some cases of emotional abuse, there has been a time of separation and in one case that separation continues for a few years now. But they are not acceptable causes for divorce.

 

[evangelist6589]

Were you a good husband to her? Did you sacrificially love her as Christ loved the church? How much abuse has Christ taken from us and yet still stayed with us? I've counseled many women in abuse situations and in the majority of cases, they have stayed unless it was a physical abuse situation. In some cases of emotional abuse, there has been a time of separation and in one case that separation continues for a few years now. But they are not acceptable causes for divorce.

Oh for the love of the donkey! Then I messed up. But I am no longer married to her and can pursue other matches.

 

[annsni]

You do not know all the details to the marriage.

You've told us plenty and the bottom line is that no matter what, you should not be looking for another woman within weeks of your divorce being finalized. You messed up with the first marriage when people warned you not to get married but you went ahead and did it anyway. Now, unfortunately, you need to pay the price. Biblically, if you look at another woman, you are committing adultery. Stop going to dating sites and get right with God.

 

[annsni]

Oh for the love of the donkey! Then I messed up. But I am no longer married to her and can pursue other matches.

Let's say this one more time.

NO YOU CAN'T.

Matthew 19:9 "And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”"

You can take that argument up with God.

 

[evangelist6589]

Let's say this one more time.

NO YOU CAN'T.

Matthew 19:9 "And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”"

You can take that argument up with God.

No one is perfect

 

[evangelist6589]

You've told us plenty and the bottom line is that no matter what, you should not be looking for another woman within weeks of your divorce being finalized. You messed up with the first marriage when people warned you not to get married but you went ahead and did it anyway. Now, unfortunately, you need to pay the price. Biblically, if you look at another woman, you are committing adultery. Stop going to dating sites and get right with God.

Unless Keener is correct on his view of abuse being a cause to remarry.

 

[annsni]

Unless Keener is correct on his view of abuse being a cause to remarry.

Keener or the Bible? Your choice. Both aren't right when they contradict. Actually, not even the Bible. Jesus. Jesus spoke the words I wrote. So it's Keener or Jesus. Choose wisely.

 

[evangelist6589]

One must also be practical in this regard. No doubt about it the only way I can continue to live and buy a house in Colorado is if I had 2 incomes. I cannot make it on my income alone even with 2 jobs! My parents home state is even more expensive so I need to find a partner if I want to remain in Colorado.

 

[StefanM]

One must also be practical in this regard. No doubt about it the only way I can continue to live and buy a house in Colorado is if I had 2 incomes. I cannot make it on my income alone even with 2 jobs! My parents home state is even more expensive so I need to find a partner if I want to remain in Colorado.

Can you rent an apartment?

Pursuing a relationship for the money is basically being a gold-digger.

 

[evangelist6589]

Can you rent an apartment?

Pursuing a relationship for the money is basically being a gold-digger.

No way too costly. Instead I rent a basement in a house. I am not pursing a relationship for the money. I want to be married again but money is a part of the equation.

 

[Magister HD]

One must also be practical in this regard. No doubt about it the only way I can continue to live and buy a house in Colorado is if I had 2 incomes. I cannot make it on my income alone even with 2 jobs! My parents home state is even more expensive so I need to find a partner if I want to remain in Colorado.

Wait. The only reason you are wanting to now jump back into another marriage after a failed first one is so you can have access to her money?

 

[JonC]

Read the essay in the book. Anyway it was not my fault! She initiated the whole process I just finished it. My stress level, anxiety, and such were harmful being married to her. She was very verbally abusive at times, mistreated me and such. I finished the process that she initiated and so got out of a harmful marriage. She also refused any type of reconciliation and made no effort to reconcile.

I do understand the reasoning. From the article I gathered that "unfaithful" can be taken to mean much more than adultery, therefore there are numerous reasons a divorce can be justified under Mark 10:11 (because Jesus did not mean "adultery" literally, but graphically). I don't necessarily agree with Keener, but I get his reasoning.

I am glad that you are not as stressed as you were. I know from the experience of a few friends that a bad marriage makes for a hard life. You know where I stand on divorce and remarriage, but you don't answer to me or anyone else on this board and I am in no way telling you how to live your life. So if you were to ask me if divorcing your wife was biblical, then the answer is no, it is not. If you asked me if it was biblical for you to date and perhaps remarry, then the answer is the same...no, it is not. But if you are asking me if you were free to divorce and are free to date, then the answer is of course you are. What ever you do here you are doing freely. I believe that this is why Peter cautions us to live our lives here in fear (because we call on Him as Father who judges impartially our deeds). So I have no right to tell you what to do, but as a friend I will simply say to remember that we are accountable for what we do during our time on this earth. You are not accountable to me or any other member here for how you live your life (but you are accountable). And I wish you the best.

BTW, what book are you reading?

 

[annsni]

One must also be practical in this regard. No doubt about it the only way I can continue to live and buy a house in Colorado is if I had 2 incomes. I cannot make it on my income alone even with 2 jobs! My parents home state is even more expensive so I need to find a partner if I want to remain in Colorado.

It's called a roommate. You don't need to buy a house - it's not a life requirement.

 

[evangelist6589]

Wait. The only reason you are wanting to now jump back into another marriage after a failed first one is so you can have access to her money?

Wrong.

 

[evangelist6589]

It's called a roommate. You don't need to buy a house - it's not a life requirement.

So all my life I have a roommate and never own a house?

 

[evangelist6589]

I do understand the reasoning. From the article I gathered that "unfaithful" can be taken to mean much more than adultery, therefore there are numerous reasons a divorce can be justified under Mark 10:11 (because Jesus did not mean "adultery" literally, but graphically). I don't necessarily agree with Keener, but I get his reasoning.

I am glad that you are not as stressed as you were. I know from the experience of a few friends that a bad marriage makes for a hard life. You know where I stand on divorce and remarriage, but you don't answer to me or anyone else on this board and I am in no way telling you how to live your life. So if you were to ask me if divorcing your wife was biblical, then the answer is no, it is not. If you asked me if it was biblical for you to date and perhaps remarry, then the answer is the same...no, it is not. But if you are asking me if you were free to divorce and are free to date, then the answer is of course you are. What ever you do here you are doing freely. I believe that this is why Peter cautions us to live our lives here in fear (because we call on Him as Father who judges impartially our deeds). So I have no right to tell you what to do, but as a friend I will simply say to remember that we are accountable for what we do during our time on this earth. You are not accountable to me or any other member here for how you live your life (but you are accountable). And I wish you the best.

BTW, what book are you reading?

So what do you suggest I do? Stay single all my life? What kind of a life is that? It's plain HELL.

 

[annsni]

So all my life I have a roommate and never own a house?

People have done it for thousands of years.

 

[annsni]

So what do you suggest I do? Stay single all my life? What kind of a life is that? It's plain HELL.

If living single all of your life is plain hell, then there is something wrong. A very wise pastor once taught us that if you can't be happy by yourself, you won't be happily married.