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You got me. I do like Calvin, especially his works on prayer. One of my favorites. I even grew a beard at one time.

If by PSA you mean that Jesus bore our sins and by His stripes we are healed, then yes. I believe PSA too.

But if you mean God poured out His wrath upon Christ and punished Him, Jesus experiencing what the lost will at Judgment, then no. That is unknown until Calvin.

I think you are at your shell game again - "look, he said Jesus died for our sins so that means he believes God was angry at His Son and separated from Him for 3 hours and punished Him with the punishment of the sins of the elect and....it's PSA). You assume too much.

 

Duh. He made Himself a guilt offering for our redemption.

My argument is against your tradition, not Scripture. I am addressing what your tradition adds to Scripture (the context you place it in).

 

Amen! Amen! Like saying Particular Redemption originated with Calvin. Or even with Augustine.

 

No. That one originated with Jesus, who lay down His life for the church, and was made popular by Mr. Spurgeon.

 

What??? PSA as we just agreed on???

You can, BTW, ask my to defend my position. It won't hurt my feelings at all.

On what part of my view of the atonement do you disagree?

 

Again, this is a theory. Scripture says we will not face in Christ what we would have without Him. You add that He experienced a Christlessness to make that possible.

 

Ahhh!!! There it is!

No. God was not "owed a debt". He is Creator God. Man cannot create in God a debt. The "wages of sin is death but the gift of God eternal life in Christ Jesus".

Where did you get the idea God was shackled along side man with the burden of such injury, one He had to collect in order to freely save sinful man? From whence came that idea of divine justice??? Certainty not from Scripture. So where?

 

We already established this is NOT what PSA means. PSA, per @Martin Marprelate 's quote of Martyr.

‘If then, the Father of all wished His Christ for the whole human family to take upon Him the curses of all, knowing that, after He had been crucified and was dead, He would raise Him up"

NO-ONE is arguing against the Father wishing His Christ to take upon the curses of all for the whole human family. This is a given and you are playing a shell game once again (for you already affirmed what Martian has yet again supplied).

We all believe PSA, or so you seem to say.....sometimes....if it suits you....

 

Not at all. I already said that the wages of sin is death. You seem to be jumping around here. What I said was that PSA is, per you and Martin, broad when you want it to be but narrow when it pleases you. This is dishonest.

Sure, if you are talking about Christ becoming a curse for the human family. You two have already settled on Martyr holding to PSA so you can't go beyond that. PSA includes Martyr, Luther, Wright, and Calvin. Or were you being dishonest before?

Too late to change your mind. It only means a belief that Christ died for mankind, bore man's sins and by His stripes we are healed.

You wanted to make it an inclusive doctrine so there you go. It's meaningless in terms of distinction because all theories fall within its borders. You are, in other words, adrift.