Rewriting the Tulip

[Silverhair]

And, like with everything you have posted thus far, you would be wrong.

Just as I am not a Catholic because I believe in the Trinity, I am not a Calvinist because I believe in the depravity of man.

Strange how many that post on this board say they are not a calvinist and yet hold to many of the doctrines of calvinism. Call yourself what you want but your views reflect calvinism.

The fact that you do not know is why there is gross error, not only in your doctrine, but in your manners.

It's not an assumption. But you would have to continue in the Lord's teachings in order to know this truth. Here's a little help (and I would suggest that if you drop the attitude and take the conversations you are in a little more seriously—you might just come to understand your antagonists a little better, and treat them a little better):

I am not a arrogant as you seem to be. I would not tell God who He can save or why He can save them. God has provided various means for man to know Him and He will be the judge of ones salvation not you or I.

John 7

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

First, to address your hangup with placing conditions on believers, note that the Lord states "Those that believe ..."

I would suggest to you that, without controversy, we can take the Word of God as truth, and one of the truths to focus on here is that no one is believing on Christ yet. Unless you think a man can be born again through faith in the coming of Messiah. If so, then you must also conclude that all Jews still awaiting Messiah are eternally redeemed.

Do you?

Secondly, John sets the condition:

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

It should be obvious that in order for rivers of living to flow from those who are believing on Jesus Christ, the condition Scripture gives is that the Holy Ghost must be given.

Do you know when that takes place. Do you know when the Prophecy of John 14-17 was fulfilled?

You should.


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You have such an ability to miss the obvious. "He who believes in Me" I understand you struggle with this but He just stated it clearly "He who believes in Me" That is the condition for the whole world, Jews or Gentiles, then or now.

 

[Darrell C]

I will say that I have not come across many that have such a warped view of scripture such as you.

So show me how it is warped. There's quite a bit in the post you quote with this response, but you have dealt with none of it. Further, you keep ascribing to me views that, not only do I not embrace, but have spoken against.

How can you be expected to interpret the Word of God properly if you cannot even follow a simple discussion?

Please address the points. You have already made your opinion of me clear.

You have continued to twist the word of God to the point that it is just about unrecognizable.

How?

That's what Christian Doctrinal Discussion is all about.

Have you noticed that the points you have raised have all been directly addressed? You should give it a try.

At least one of them.

You are to get your theology from scripture not read your theology into scripture.

Uh-huh ...

Antecedents and Faith (Eph_2:8-9)
“Grace is God's part, faith ours.” He adds that since in the original the demonstrative “this” (and this not of yourselves) is neuter and does not correspond with the gender of the word “faith,” which is feminine, it does not refer to the latter “but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part.”
“In Eph_2:8 … there is no reference to διὰ πίστεως [through faith] in τοῦτο [this], but rather to the idea of salvation in the clause before.”
A. T. Robertson {RWP} found in Baker's cmtx

I see that's where you get it.

He told the disciple to preach the gospel message to the whole world that those that believe in God will be saved.

It's a no-brainer.

Again, how do they believe? How do they repent? How do they have faith?

According to you, it by inherent ability. Not once, that I can recall, have you given God the glory for being the One that draws men, teaches them, guides them into all truth, etc.

Why is that? I can tell you why, your heart is so eat up with enmity towards Calvinists that you have no interest in anything but proving them wrong. That's a problem.

Your errant theology is poles apart from the truth of scripture. As you put it only those picked out before the foundation of the world can be saved and as a result you have made God a liar. He says salvation is available to all and your errant theology say that He is wrong.

Could you quote me as saying this?

It is seriously bad form to put words into your antagonist's mouth. Most of us call this lying.

So it is not God you are trusting in for your salvation but your errant theology.

Not sure how you can say this, seeing it is I that takes the position that men are not saved by faith, but that faith is the result of the enlightenment of Sovereign God.

But it's okay, I'm used to those who cannot debate the points getting upset and responding with insults that are in fact in direct contradiction to what is actually found in my posts.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

I understand that this is a really hard concept for you to grasp so I will try to make it as clear as possible for you.

Without addressing anything I've actually said? Not going to happen.

You say this as though God writing these truths on their hearts is inconsequential.

Unless He wrote those things they would have continued in their natural state of ignorance in the spiritual things of God.

When Abraham received truth, Who was there giving it to him?

When Moses received truth, Who was there giving it to him?

When anybody in Scripture received truth—Who was there giving it to them?

Just answer the question.

While the truths may be known it does not mean that all will follow them just as those that are saved have the Holy Spirit indwelling them and yet they will still sin.

Do you see what you've done here? Have you not figured out yet that I am saying the truths aren't known (to the natural man)?

So God giving use these truths is not of no consequence,

Same thing here: I have consistently been making the point that it is God Who not only gives these truths to natural man, but gives natural man the ability to understand them.

And you act as though I view it as of no consequence? Can you honestly say you are making any sense of the discussion?

the person then has no excuse for saying they did not know.

Consider everyone who died prior to the revelation of the Mystery of Christ: they did not receive understanding of the Gospel, but, God had given them enough revelation that He could judge them based on their obedience to the will He revealed to them.

The thing to recognize is that it was God Who revealed it to them.

But their knowing does not mean they are unable to sin or that they will not sin as you seem to think by your comment.

Nothing in my post is even relevant to this.

You continue to make these really dumb comments.

You mean like "Give God the glory?" Instead of yourself?


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[kyredneck]

Strange that you would call biblical salvation "Mob Rule".

the idea that because most people believe or embrace something makes a matter true was your argument.

Mob Rules.

17 For we are not as the many, corrupting the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, speak we in Christ. 2 Cor 2

"Most people", "Mob Rules", "the many", known commonly as 'orthodoxy', and many conformists there are that 'hang their hats' on it.

 

[Darrell C]

Care to show me where I have said my faith saves me.

Let's start with this:

TULIP, These tenets assert that humans are inherently sinful, that God chooses who will be saved without considering any merit or action on their part, that Christ’s sacrifice was specifically for those chosen by God, that God’s grace cannot be resisted, and that those elected by God will persevere until the end.

That man, contrary to scripture, does nothing in regard to his salvation.

What you have expressed, in both denying the doctrinal view you oppose, as well as in explicit statement, shows you believe you are saved by faith.

Here is what you are denying:

1) ... humans are inherently sinful,

The alternate view: mankind is not inherently sinful.

2) ... God chooses who will be saved without considering any merit or action on their part,

The alternate view: that considers merit and/or action when He saves someone.

3) ... man, contrary to scripture, does nothing in regard to his salvation.

The alternate view: man does something in regard to his salvation.

And what have you been advocating? That the "something" is that he has faith. He believes. You credit man in his natural state with accomplishing faith and belief.

Your lack of scriptural knowledge is tripping you up.

Aw shucks ...

The fact you do not grasp what the scriptures plainly tell you saddening.

Dern ...

If you would just trust the text rather than try to read into the text you would clear up your errors.

Golly ...

Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, [did you catch that] but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because [and here is the reason] he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

That one verse should clear up many of your errors.

You've yet to identify the first error. Please point one out.

Speaking of catching something, how exactly is one already condemned if he fails to believe?

Because man is born into a condition of separation from God that can only be remedied by Christ. Will you at this time recognize man's natural condition?

When I said you deny scripture you called in twaddle and then turn around and deny scripture.

If you say so.

You seem to be very confused.

Gee willikers.

Do you not see the failure in your logic,

Yes, I view it to be logic as well. Thanks!

man can know what the truths are but man cannot trust those truths.

?

In other words have faith in the one those truths are about and thus being saved by the grace of God.

And how shall you know?

God is most glorified when we freely trust in Him for our salvation.

I agree. When we trust in our faith, belief, or repentance, we trust in works which we have done. No way around that.

The truth found in Eph 2:8 has not eluded me but you do seem to have trouble grasping it. I quoted A. T. Robertson and you ignore what he said, perhaps you will trust this:
Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Again, it's a no-brainer conclusion: the reference specifies those believing in the One True God and His truth. It doesn't negate other teachings that make it clear that 1) natural man cannot receive the truth (which precludes an interpretation that only those who reject the truth are in view), 2) that God first delivers the truth to the natural man, then 3) enlightens the natural man that he might understand so that 4) he can receive or reject the truth.

Now I am quite sure that you will continue to say faith is a work

When it is used in a salvific context and specifically stated that it is the natural man accomplishing this, then yes, it is most certainly a work.

Faith is a result, not of works, else Paul would have said "...and that salvation is reliant on whether a man has faith or not." It is pretty obvious "... not of yourselves" and not of works makes God's grace the singular means of salvation.

In regards to arrogance, we are truly arrogant when we credit ourselves for coming to a right conclusion concerning Christ.

Ephesians 1:17-18
King James Version

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

which just shows that you do not trust scripture but rather deny what it says.

I am trusting in the clear teachings that my faith was impossible until Christ opened my eyes to truth.

Faith is a result of that enlightenment,and apart from it I would be as blind as I was before being saved. I might be able to understand salvation from an intellectual perspective, but it wouldn't be an experiential knowledge. It goes beyond knowing facts, it is a matter of knowing something that incontrovertible.


God bless.

 

[Silverhair]

17 For we are not as the many, corrupting the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, speak we in Christ. 2 Cor 2

"Most people", "Mob Rules", "the many", known commonly as 'orthodoxy', and many conformists there are that 'hang their hats' on it.

Most people will not accept the errant views that hod to the TULIP/DoG. So not "Mob rule" just wise enough to not fall for a man-made theology that has it's roots in pagan philosophy.

 

[Silverhair]

Not sure how you can say this, seeing it is I that takes the position that men are not saved by faith, but that faith is the result of the enlightenment of Sovereign God.

But it's okay, I'm used to those who cannot debate the points getting upset and responding with insults that are in fact in direct contradiction to what is actually found in my posts.


God bless.

How many times do you have to be told it is not faith that saves us but God saves us because we believe. The fact you continue to misstate the obvious biblical truth shows it not truth you seek but rather acceptance of your errant view.

I have dealt with a number of people that claim to trust the word of God when the reality is that they trust in an errant philosophy.

Pointing out the errors in your posts is not an insult but rather a means of education for you. You can either believe the bible or not that is your option.

You need to spend more time in serious bible study trusting God's word rather than your odd non-biblical theology. I would suggest that you look into the roots of your theology but I doubt that would ever happen as you do not want to know where it came from so you can continue on in your self delusion.

 

[Darrell C]

I actually quoted these in address of the comment, "Care to show me where I have said my faith saves me?" I have corrected the puncuation, so the question mark is not found in the original quote. They did not load until I pulled up this post, but I thought it good to present them anyway. It gives insight to the fact that despite saying God is sovereign, at the root of your faith is faith itself.

And keep in mind while reading, these comments were given in a context of rejecting what is said:

that God chooses who will be saved without considering any merit or action on their part,

Again, the merit and/or action is a condition of salvation. That is what this says.

That man, contrary to scripture, does nothing in regard to his salvation.

Man does something to be saved. That is what this says. And it defies Paul's teaching that it is not of ourselves.

When you say that God has to open their heart to the truth then we have to ask why He only opens some hearts and not all since we know He desires all to come to Him.

The problem is, I didn't say that, but have specifically said I believe God gives every man and woman opportunity. Does what your antagonist believes really mean so little to you that you feel you have license to unjustly and dishonestly represent their positions in a public forum?

As you rightly said we are saved by God's grace because of our faith/trust in Him. Our faith does not save us but it is the condition of our salvation.

"We are saved, not by God's grace, but because of our faith/trust in Him."

In the future, you might want to throw in that little issue of "... through faith." This way, those unlearned in salvation will not notice the blatant error of your teaching. This implies our faith and/or belief allows God to save us through grace.

That is why I said, "We are saved by grace through faith, not by faith through grace."

Faith is not a work but it is a condition of salvation.

You are trying to say two things at once. Men have to believe/have faith but this isn't a work.

For my view, this is true. But not for yours, because you continue to deny that it is God, and His grace by which men can repent, believe, and have faith.

You continue to teach that natural men have this ability within them, denying the teachings of Christ and Paul, and a few of the Prophets as well.

The Holy Spirit has told us all are convicted.

This is a starting point: understanding that the Comforter reveals truth to natural men so they can believe is not the same as man being made puppets. When that truth is revealed to them, and their understanding is opened, as I said, it isn't something anyone can reject. It's like trying to deny the sun produces sunlight. The ability the natural man did not and does not have, that is, to understand spiritual truth, has been given to the one coming under conviction by the truth God is revealing.

The Gospel, now and forever—stands at the top of the list in regards to spiritual truth. He gives us an entire Old Testament testifying that the saving truth of the Messiah is coming, and the majority of the New in explaining to us that is has come, and what it means.

Again, I believe all men and women will come under conviction, and it is at this time that the natural man either actively rejects the Gospel (which is fully within his inherent ability) or receives the Gospel (which is a condition that has been made possible, not because of what the man has done, but because of what God is doing.

Do you notice the conditions there, the person must hear and believe prior to their being saved.

Again—how can they do that?

John 16:7-9
King James Version

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;


Who makes it possible to believe? He does. It wasn't something within your ability as an unbeliever. You were predisposed to unbelief.

Here is an example of why it is foolish to impose faith and belief as "conditions (to be met in order to be saved):"

John 14

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Look at it carefully. We have your "condition" of believing.

Or do we?

One will do the works He did if they believe? Can I point out that this is prophetic in nature, because obviously no one is believing? Christ is teaching about the Age to come, and it is another no-brainer, "Those who believe will ..."

No different in any verse you find your condition in.

You are making my point, the person has to think something is true before they will trust in the one or the situation the information is about.

And before that, they have the ability to understand that truth.

Natural man does not.

Again ...

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
King James Version

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


That anyone would deny this passage is always amazing to me. It cannot be construed in any way to make the natural capable of receiving or knowing the spiritual things of God.

Paul credits God for the knowledge he has received, and takes this back to the natural condition. It is incontrovertible Bible Truth.

You said “God opened your heart to these truths.” see post # 64 So the question stands. If God has to open their heart to the truth and He desires all to come to repentance then why does He only open so few hearts?

Again, we see a mixture of what I have said with what I haven't. We also see you trying to say two things at once.

Where do you stand? Dos He open all hearts, or just some? Your very statement denies that God opens all hearts to understanding the truth He reveals to them. The truth, I will add, by which He will also judge them. They won't go into eternal separation because they never had an opportunity. They will go into eternal separation because, after knowing the truth, they turned from the truth.

God is Just. Arguments that presume to place blame on Him for the eternal damnation unbelievers will face show a lack of understanding of God's righteousness.It's the, "If God is good, why does He let bad things happen?" routine.

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[Darrell C]

I see you refer to the conviction of the Holy Spirit as being all inclusive

You are just now picking up on that?

and you said “To be convicted is to be convinced” and I agree that one can know they are a sinner but that does not always result in them trusting in God for their salvation. Turning to God for their salvation takes an act of the will.

And that will was not present before they knew the truth God revealed to them. It's really basic, SH.

But this is where your theology runs aground. Under your theology God has chosen a few to unconditional salvation and the vast majority of the creation that He loves to unconditional reprobation.

Again, what ineffable twaddle.

Nothing in what I have said presents such a notion.

When men are enlightened to the truth, whether it be Old Testament Revelation or the Gospel, it is at that point they have an ability to decide. In regards to believing, it is my view that all believe, and that those who follow that belief without rejecting the truth are they that are saved.

So it is more a matter of commission, really. We don't reject the truth. You weren't the judge of what is true or not in your conversion, you simply knew the revelation was the truth.

And once again you try to make God responsible for the fate of those rejecting truth.

While the truths are written on their hearts by God they must still choose to believe and live by them.

Listen to yourself: "Just because God wrote truth on their hearts, doesn't mean they didn't already know it."

My faith does not save me but it is the condition of my salvation. That you deny faith is the condition of salvation shows you deny scripture.

Your condition is, ironically, your faith.

Trust Christ alone, my friend. Acknowledge that He is the Savior, and doesn't need you to complete His Work.

We don't read of Christ proclaiming, "It will be finished when SH decides to believe in Me."

There is no contribution you can make that will change the basic principles of Scripture, in which you were found right there along with the rest of us: "There is none righteous, no not one." Just think about that. If you were dead in your sins, how is it that you mustered up the ability to believe? THe rest of us had to wait for God to reveal those truths to us.

Strange how many that post on this board say they are not a calvinist and yet hold to many of the doctrines of calvinism. Call yourself what you want but your views reflect calvinism.

Please list the doctrines I have expressed in our discussion. I already know you won't, and even if you started, you would stop, because you would see that your words are hollow.

I am not a arrogant as you seem to be.

Okay. And ...

I would not tell God who He can save or why He can save them.

Yes you would. That is evident in your numerous attempts to tell me what it is I believe. Most of it wrong. Some of it dishonest.

God has provided various means for man to know Him and He will be the judge of ones salvation not you or I.

I'm not judging anyone's salvation. I believe firmly that even those that are ignorant of the Mystery of Christ can be saved. Doesn't mean I won't try to help them to have a stronger faith in Christ and a lesser view of themselves (and what they have done to contribute to their salvation).

And by the way, you're welcome.

John 7

37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

One of my favorites ...

You have such an ability to miss the obvious. "He who believes in Me" I understand you struggle with this but He just stated it clearly "He who believes in Me" That is the condition for the whole world, Jews or Gentiles, then or now.

Speaking of obvious, I have noted several times I have never denied that repentance, faith, or belief are elements of our salvation. What I have tried to convince you of is that when you believed, that belief was a direct result of coming to the knowledge of the truth. You didn't do this yourself, because you had no ability within yourself to understand spiritual truth. This is why some believe God regenerates men prior to belief and faith, I don't take that position. There is a concurrency of elements which can no more be separated than our indwelling of God can be. We are indwelt by God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost when we receive Him, and we change from those who have no life in us because we were not believing in Christ, to those who are now alive from an eternal perspective, because we are in Him and He in us.

It is the order of salvation that usually comes to the table. Few take seriously those who believe repentance, faith, and belief are works men do as a condition of salvation.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Your continued misunderstanding of Eph 2:8 is clear. You do not have to keep telling me what you think. Scripture does not support your view and yet you cling to it.




This is just one more of your errors.
Act 17:26 He also made every nation of man of one blood, to dwell on all the face of the earth—having ordained times before appointed, and the bounds of their dwellings—
Act 17:27 to seek the LORD, if perhaps they felt after Him and found, though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us,
Act 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as certain of your poets have also said: For we are also His offspring.

So now you are saying that Paul also got it wrong. He was telling these "dead men" to do just what you say they cannot do.

But we should not forget what Jesus said,
Luk 11:9 "So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Luk 11:10 "For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened.

By your logic even He got it wrong. Man sins but man also can think and make choices and God expects us to do so. That is why we are held responsible for the choices we make.



What you failed and continue to fail to understand is that man's sin separates him from God but God has given man the ability to hear and understand the gospel or the preaching of it would be a waste of time.

Do you not find it strange that you impose conditions on man that God does not.

You just do not like my answers.

Sorry, but the repeated insults makes me conclude that you are not serious about discussing the issues at hand. Perhaps at a later date we might be able to look at these things in a discussion. Added to that is the refusal to respond to direct questions.

I wish you the best of luck in your studies.


God bless.

 

[kyredneck]

Your condition is, ironically, your faith.

@Silverhair corrupts the word 'faith' by making it a choice made by the creature.

 

[Darrell C]

How many times do you have to be told it is not faith that saves us but God saves us because we believe.

Just once.

It would sound something like this: "I know that within me there is no good thing that I can offer up to God to convince Him to save me. I know there is no contribution to the One Who died alone on the Cross to redeem my sin. I fully acknowledge to God that I am eternally in His debt for saving someone so grossly indebted to sin. I know fully that before even before the first sin was committed, God saw me, and loved me, even while in the throes of sin, and that the punishment I warranted through the actions my nature allowed—that which loomed on my horizon at death—He took upon Himself.

Because He first loved me.

God's Sovereignty in salvation precedes Man's sin itself. Those He saves were known to Him prior to Creation. Where can a man interject his efforts into the love that, like salvation itself, is the gift of God. He didn't need to love us, but He did.

I'm not sure how one can conclude those dead in trespasses and sins can contribute to salvation. By grace are ye saved through faith, and this not of yourself.

Is your faith of yourself? It is if it is a condition by which you are saved. You can't exclude faith, seeing it is an element of salvation, and thus falls under the salvation you received by the grace of God.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

@Silverhair corrupts the word 'faith' by making it a choice made by the creature.

It's an easy trap to fall into. We can probably thank the antagonism between Protestants and Catholics, in large part. When an element of salvation takes center stage it is often to the detriment of a rounded understanding of salvation as a whole.

It's kind of like the issue of Mary. Some Catholics defend it so hard that they end up getting the wrong conclusion as to her part. Then it's easier to make her the "queen of heaven."

The issue of being saved by faith through grace is a common one from what I have seen on the forums.


God bless.

 

[Van]

The TULIP's “T” should stand for Totally in Adam; totally separated from God by our corrupted and unholy spiritual nature

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

Humans are all conceived in a sinful state, separated from our Holy God by our unholiness, as we were made sinners. This separated state is called being dead in our sins. So in Adam we are spiritually dead, but when we are transferred spiritually into Christ, we are made alive (regenerated).

Thus In Adam = Spiritually Dead but in Christ = Spiritually Alive

Everyone not belonging to Christ is spiritually located "in Adam" thus totally separated from God, totally located in the domain of Darkness, rather than the Kingdom of His marvelous light.

The TULIP's "U” should stand for Unlimited Reconciliation; God is reconciling fallen humanity to Himself one believer at a time because the sacrifice of Jesus provided the means of reconciliation for the sin of humanity.

1 John 2:2 (NASB - as footnoted)
and He Himself is the means of reconciliation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. ​

Efforts to deny this biblical truth spring from those advocating the false doctrine of Limited Atonement.

Christ died as a ransom for all, because God desires all people to be saved in accordance with His redemption plan which is to save believers whose faith has been credited by God as righteousness.

The TULIP's “L” should stand for Limited Redemption; All mankind has been purchased for God, the ransom for all has been paid in full, but not all men have received (or will receive) the reconciliation provided by Christ. When we are individually chosen (elected) we are then made “at one with God” when we are spiritually baptized into Christ based on God accepting our faith in Christ as sufficient for His purpose, thus crediting our faith as righteousness.

Romans 5:11
And not only this, but we also celebrate in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. ​

Thus while the opportunity for reconciliation is unlimited, as Christ is the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity, only those who "receive" that reconciliation are redeemed, thus limited redemption.

The TULIP's “I” should stand for In Christ; when we are spiritually baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit, we are converted, given a new heart with our faith hard wired into our soul, and with a clear conscience such that we arise from the baptism into Christ’s death a new spiritual creature in Christ, created for good works and then after our spiritual purification, indwelt with the Holy Spirit as a helper and as God's pledge to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

Romans 6:3 NASB
Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

Ephesians 2:10 NASB
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

2 Corinthians 5:5
Now He who prepared us for this inheritance is God, who gave us the Spirit as a pledge.​

The TULIP's "P” should stand for Protected Faith; those set apart and converted have their faith protected by God such that will always love Jesus, and anyone who says they were saved but no longer loves Jesus was never saved. But once a person is saved, therefore “In Christ” nothing can snatch him or her out of God’s hand, and because their faith is protected, they would never want to leave the faith. Once saved, always saved.

1 Peter 1:3-5 NASB
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable, undefiled, and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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Two views seem possible, God's protection of our inheritance is conditioned upon our maintaining our faith, and God protects our faith such that our inheritance is secure. I believe the second view is correct.

Those who God has caused to be born anew are those whose faith is protected by the power of God.​