Rick Warren Speaks out

[Van]

1 Timothy 2:14 (NASB)
And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.

Some have suggested (translation in post #11) that Eve's actions while deceived were considered to be "wrongdoer" or "transgression" actions. Not what this verse actually says. The actual idea is that Eve had become and remained in a sinful state. But the reason was Adam's transgression of what he knew was God's will, not to eat the fruit. Thus by one man's transgression, not two people's actions, sin spread to all people including Eve.

So our next verse tells us, "yet women will be saved (from their sinful state due to Adam's sin) by way of fulfilling their child bearing responsibilities to God (bringing up her children in the way they should go) i.e. continuing to raise their children accordingly with faith, love and progressive sanctification facilitated by self restraint.

 

[MrW]

Eve was deceived. Adam rebelled with his eyes wide open.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Bvd's or boxers... I guess now you want to know which brand?... Brother Glen

Next it will be allowing the LGBT access to becoming Pastors . Where will it end?

 

[Salty]

Next it will be allowing the LGBT access to becoming Pastors . Where will it end?

Well the AoB and (I believe) the Co-op Bap Fellowship already do
We must stand firm!

 

[tyndale1946]

Next it will be allowing the LGBT access to becoming Pastors . Where will it end?

What if you found out that the pastor you thought was a man was biologically born a woman... Now what?... And what if the pastor was married to a woman?... You just opened a can of worms... Where will it end?... And the beat goes on!... Brother Glen

 

[Salty]

What if you found out that the pastor you thought was a man was biologically born a woman... Now what?... And what if the pastor was married to a woman?... You just opened a can of worms... Where will it end?... And the beat goes on!... Brother Glen

First, I would ask him to resign - if he doesn't -
take two mature Christians with me - if he doesn't
Take it before the church - if they vote to keep him
I know, that I would be leaving -ASAP

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well the AoB and (I believe) the Co-op Bap Fellowship already do
We must stand firm!

Bishop Spong was here at one time and I watched it get away from him, especially when he allowed gays to become priests. The first homosexual fellow he endorsed promised to be a celebrate but after 6 months brought in another sexual lover and got very left wing Militant radical about having gays in the priesthood… yada yada. And I don’t think Spong was prepared for it, but it spun out of control. Now the Episcopal church in New Jersey is a shell of what it once was. Oh well

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, I would ask him to resign - if he doesn't -
take two mature Christians with me - if he doesn't
Take it before the church - if they vote to keep him
I know, that I would be leaving -ASAP

Sodom and Gomorra

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First, I would ask him to resign - if he doesn't -
take two mature Christians with me - if he doesn't
Take it before the church - if they vote to keep him
I know, that I would be leaving -ASAP

How about abortions… see I had an Episcopal priest tell me once it was OK to get them… I told him he was nuts and never went back.

Ahhh, modern Christianity! And now I know why I gravitate to Primitivism.

 

[Salty]

major doctrine - yes

 

[FollowTheWay]

No women pastors/elders in the church I attend as well

...but we have women deacons,
women who meet together to plan women's ministries,
a woman who serves as a business manager (reporting offerings, checks and balances, budget etc.),
women who organize and direct family outings,
women who teach children and youth,
women who organize women's events and teach them,
women missionaries,
women who serve the needy and who and organize groups to provide meals for them,

they serve a pastoral role by another name, imho,

Oh, we have men's ministries as well. lol

Rob

Churches who have women deacons are next on the radical conservative SBC chopping block. The motion to exclude them was accepted by this years convention. If that's repeated next year they're out too.