Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Nothing unclean has ever been were God is.
Where do you get that? Why is the first earth AND the first heaven destroyed?
That is not where God is.
Job 28:7[There is] a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:
Job 28:8The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.
Job 28:12¶But where shall wisdom be found? and where [is] the place of understanding?
Job 28:20Whence then cometh wisdom? and where [is] the place of understanding?
Job 28:28And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that [is] wisdom; and to depart from evil [is] understanding.
Sorry, I can not hold to a historic interpretation of Revelation. This is not past, this is future. The fullness of the kingdom has not yet come. Things are not getting better. The Church is not spreading throughout the earth. The kingdom will not be here till the KING gets here!
Really? Is this the future?
Rev.12
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1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a
woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
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2] And she being
with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
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3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
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4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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5] And
she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
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6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev.2
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1] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
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2] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
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3] And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
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4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
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5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
There is nothing in the context to support a reading of Rev 12:10-11 as having been fulfilled in the past!
You still waiting for the Lord to come and die and conquer over death hell and the grave? To make a way where we could have "Salvation" and "Strength" in the Lord? You do not believe the church was taken out of the flesh and put in the heart?
If you read the Kingdom as being fulfilled in the church, you are reading out Israel. If you read out Israel you have denied the unconditional promises of the Abrahamic Covenant, the Land Covenant of Deut 29-30, the Davidic Covenant, and the New Covenant. You can only do that by denying the literal words of the OT and reinterpreting just about ALL OT prophecy on the basis of a view that replaces Israel with the Church. If God’s promises to Abraham are not sure, how can we trust anything else that He has said? If the election of Israel was conditional how can we maintain the security of the saints today?
Well, for sure that is the same mistake they made that the Kingdom was a spiritual Kingdom. Why would God need a natural Kingdom when He seeks such to worship Him in Spirit and Truth? If everything else is Spiritual in the resurrection why would God have a natural Kingdom. Do you know that doctrine was silenced for 1600 years until John Darby came along. I think there was one before him. Inwardly we are in the Kingdom, outwardly we will be changed so the flesh can be there also. The last enemy will be destroyed and then will the Kingdom be delivered
UP to the Father.
The kingdom will not be here till the KING gets here!
2Cr 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
I already got Him!!
Col 1:12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and
hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:27To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles;
which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
