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Robert E Lee is Going Down

Wingman68

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Pulling down that statue is long overdue

When we choose to remember leaders, we remember something good about them. Call it their principal legacy;the one thing they did memorable over and above or inspite of their flaws. Trump fans choose to see his conservative efforts (anti-abortion,LGBTQ...) and not sleeping with prostitutes and buying them off. Same thing.

Thomas Jefferson owned slaves and he put up political and intellectual defenses for American slavery. That is a blight in his legacy, but he is remembered for writing the Declaration of Independence and also his diplomatic service during war. The latter is why he is in the pantheon.

Fredrick Douglass said nasty things about native Americans but he is remembered for being an abolitionist and a civil rights leader.

What about Lee?
The entirety of his memory is leading an insurrection against United States whose purpose was to perpetuate slavery. There are no good parts to the Confederacy so celebrating its leaders is celebrating their bad. That's why white supremacists are fond of Lee's memories yet he never owned human chattels.
Any blight on the history of this country is brought by people like you with your sweeping, ignorant, generalizations. The war was not even about slavery in it’s inception when Lee was forced to choose to defend his heritage, his family, his homeland, & his friends. Lee was one of the greatest men the country has ever produced, & deserves all respect. You are baiting people here by putting your ignorance on display. You knew there would be defenders. Then you could ignorantly slam them for racism. They have not fallen for it. You must be disappointed. Too bad.
 

Revmitchell

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Any blight on the history of this country is brought by people like you with your sweeping, ignorant, generalizations. The war was not even about slavery in it’s inception when Lee was forced to choose to defend his heritage, his family, his homeland, & his friends. Lee was one of the greatest men the country has ever produced, & deserves all respect. You are baiting people here by putting your ignorance on display. You knew there would be defenders. Then you could ignorantly slam them for racism. They have not fallen for it. You must be disappointed. Too bad.

That is what good little DNC operatives do
 

Use of Time

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Any blight on the history of this country is brought by people like you with your sweeping, ignorant, generalizations. The war was not even about slavery in it’s inception when Lee was forced to choose to defend his heritage, his family, his homeland, & his friends. Lee was one of the greatest men the country has ever produced, & deserves all respect. You are baiting people here by putting your ignorance on display. You knew there would be defenders. Then you could ignorantly slam them for racism. They have not fallen for it. You must be disappointed. Too bad.

You want a statue. Win the war.
 

Use of Time

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Some people are like sewage leaking into the house when they think the time is right, in good times they stay where they belong, in the dark, where they can’t stink stuff up.

Amazing rebuttal. Punctuation might have added more emphasis as opposed to the run on sentence it is.
 

Salty

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Admin Team - do we have an opening for the Grammar Police?

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Wingman68

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Amazing rebuttal. Punctuation might have added more emphasis as opposed to the run on sentence it is.
Yeah, unlike your rebuttal, ‘want a statue. win the war.’, mine was an original thought. Grammar police are never entertaining.
 

rlvaughn

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Should it be noted that Robert Lee never owned any slaves?
This may be technically correct, though it should be noted that his wife inherited the slaves of her father, George Washington Parke Custis. In his will, Lee’s father-in-law said his slaves should be freed five years after his death. The slaves stayed at Arlington and two other plantations that Custis owned, and Robert E. Lee, as executor of the estate, freed them within the five-year stipulation of the will.
 

Agent47

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So what is the difference between Robert E. Lee and George Washington? They both took up arms against their govt.

Washington was a leader of a successful war of independence and he established peaceful transport of power from President to president.

Lee, on the other hand, is only known for shedding blood to preserve the institution of slavery.

I mentioned in the first paragraph of my first comment about principal legacy. Washington's dark past such as keeping slaves and picking the capital to maximize capital gains of his real estate/land is eclipsed by the great acts he did worth celebrating.Those two acts are his principal legacy. Try as you may you can’t get anything Lee did worth celebrating.
 

Agent47

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Any blight on the history of this country is brought by people like you with your sweeping, ignorant, generalizations. The war was not even about slavery in it’s inception when Lee was forced to choose to defend his heritage, his family, his homeland, & his friends. Lee was one of the greatest men the country has ever produced, & deserves all respect. You are baiting people here by putting your ignorance on display. You knew there would be defenders. Then you could ignorantly slam them for racism. They have not fallen for it. You must be disappointed. Too bad.

He was and is only great to those who miss slavery
 

Salty

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Washington was a leader of a successful war of independence and he established peaceful transport of power from President to president.

Lee, on the other hand, is only known for shedding blood to preserve the institution of slavery.

I mentioned in the first paragraph of my first comment about principal legacy. Washington's dark past such as keeping slaves and picking the capital to maximize capital gains of his real estate/land is eclipsed by the great acts he did worth celebrating.Those two acts are his principal legacy. Try as you may you can’t get anything Lee did worth celebrating.

You are half right - Washington won his war
Lee lost his war.

And remember - What did Washing do to end slavery in the brand new United States
Not only did he not do anything to end slavery - but as you stated, he himself own many slaves.

So should we destroy all statues of Washington?

And as far as Lee is concerned - was slavery an issue in the WoSI -
Yes, - BUT that was not the only issue - there were many others.

one other think Keep in mind- I am a Yankee
 

Yeshua1

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You are half right - Washington won his war
Lee lost his war.

And remember - What did Washing do to end slavery in the brand new United States
Not only did he not do anything to end slavery - but as you stated, he himself own many slaves.

So should we destroy all statues of Washington?

And as far as Lee is concerned - was slavery an issue in the WoSI -
Yes, - BUT that was not the only issue - there were many others.

one other think Keep in mind- I am a Yankee
Washington did release all of his slaves in his will, and provode for them to have land and education...

dems can get so upset over Lee and company, and yet the KKK of Robert Byrd and other southern dems, you can hear a pin drop!
 

Reynolds

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None of which would add any value other than to spam this post. Keep it to yourself. Stick to the subject. I will ask if I need any lectures on the gospel
If you think The Gospel is not "The good news" then you need serious help. I will follow your orders only if ypur name turns red or green.
 

Reynolds

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You are half right - Washington won his war
Lee lost his war.

And remember - What did Washing do to end slavery in the brand new United States
Not only did he not do anything to end slavery - but as you stated, he himself own many slaves.

So should we destroy all statues of Washington?

And as far as Lee is concerned - was slavery an issue in the WoSI -
Yes, - BUT that was not the only issue - there were many others.

one other think Keep in mind- I am a Yankee
Thats the master plan. Tear down the founders and their documents. The Union were the liberals seeking social change. The CSA sought no change. They sought to maintain the exact system the founders established. Their leadership had the views if the majority of the founders. Vilify the CSA and the next logical step is vilify the founders. Vilify the founders and the next step is our founding documents.
 
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