Rome's Mary on the Cross and God's Throne

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

mary was born a sinner, as ALL but jesus were!
She rejoiced in god her saviour!

And either you are saved or you are not, as it takes ONLY faith in chrsit and receiving his Gift of eternal life to be saved, but takes rest of your life to become molded into His image, but that does NOT make me any more saved, just more like him in thought/deed/action!

You're right, "either you are saved or you are not".
But I think you actually meant to say,
'…either you are saved or you are not, as it takes ONLY the Gift of eternal life to be saved. For it takes the rest of one’s life to have faith in Christ and receive his image, though not even that, makes me any more saved; just that I in thought/deed/action am TRYING to be more like him!'

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The first station is "Jesus is condemned to die" in front of Pontius Pilate.

Thank you for defining it so clearly.
Now I know one more real difference between Roman Catholicism and Reformed Protestant Catholicism the true "Body of Christ's Own".

Reformation Faith identifies THREE only ‘stations’ in “the DEATH of DEATH in the DEATH OF CHRIST” [John Owen] – to use Klaas Schilder’s identification of them –

—‘Christ IN his Suffering’
—‘Christ on TRIAL’
—‘Christ CRUCIFIED’
at which last ‘station’, according to Peter and Luke, “God”, after,
“LOOSED THE PAINS OF DEATH”,
and Christ EXITED humiliation and his
GLORIFICATION at “BONE-DAY” was being made beginning with…
[…which BURIAL-DAY of Christ Roman Catholicism has made burial with].
“Because it was not possible that He should be holden of death” IN HIS GRAVE,
“for David speaketh concerning Him [IN HIS DEATH] …
for He the LORD is on my [Jesus' in his DEATH] right hand,
that I should NOT BE MOVED [in it or further] …
also my FLESH shall rest in hope because…
[…under the Shekinah of God’s PRESENCE:] THOU wilt
NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL [IN MY GRAVE] neither wilt THOU suffer
Thine Holy One to see CORRUPTION”…
[…in the ‘ARK- SANCTUARY’ of Christ’s ‘ARK-COFFIN’].
—
Christ’s GLORIFICATION “FINISHED” in the “blessing” and “sanctity” of his RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD when “God from ALL his works, the day The Seventh Day Sabbath RESTED” and He “BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD”.

The question now is, Where is, Jesus' first 'station' of suffering; where and when and how did it BEGIN?

And the answer is found, HERE: Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 John 13:1,30; 16:32 First Corinthians 11:23 ...
“... IN THE EVENING … AT THE TABLE … and it was NIGHT"—"THAT NIGHT"—“this that FIRST night” of all the Law and Prophets and Poets and Apostles ... and must be distinguished from "this the first night" of "the selfsame BONE-day" FOLLOWING and "first day of unleavened bread feast" or "first day of unleavened bread", EATEN.

 

[saturneptune]

To God, i am the same in a spiritual sense as mary/paul?peter to Him, ALL sinners needing to be saved by His GRACE ALONE!

The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

 

[Eliyahu]

Beg to differ; it says Melchisedec had no mother, a clear inference to The Son BEFORE his incarnation. It does not speak of the incarnated “Jesus Christ, born of Mary".

"No genealogy" explains how it can be said that Melchisedec had no mother; it does not mean though that Melchisedec was a self-existent and no born of a woman human being. No one knew his genealogy and therefore only he was reckoned as a priest without a mother. Moses too was a priest without the necessary genealogical qualification and therefore AS A PRIEST—in fact as the high priest of Israel—, had no mother.

It’s like in my language we speak of an 'onegte kind' -- an 'unreal child' -- the child is deemed as without father or mother having been born 'extra marital'.

The Son of Man of course had a mother, the sinner-woman Mary of Josef. That is what the Christian Church’s Confession of Faith says and means. The Roman Catholic 'church' is heretical in this regard [as in virtually everything they believe and do through worship].

You don't know how to interpret Heb 7.

Both Melchisedec and Son of God are similar each other in the several aspects which include:

Both of them have NO Mother !

Unless the writer believe that Son of God didn't have Mother and Melchisedec didn't have Mother, He wouldn't have compared them each other.

If Melchisedec had a Mother but she is unknown, Heb writer wouldn't have said he had No Beginning!

Jesus had No beginning, because He is Eternal Being, since far before Mary was.


Jesus had a Father, but No Mother. His Father is the Great God!

Do you think Jesus had 50% of His genoms from Mary and another 50% from God?

 

[Eliyahu]

Pope John Paul II was also the chief of Idol Priests:


http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/crown.htm

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Both of them have NO Mother !

That's not what the text says. It simply says as HIGH PRIESTS both had no mother. Their genealogy was 'motherless'.

Jesus Christ had a mother, but she was of the tribe of Judah not of Levi.

That's all the Text says and means.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You don't know how to interpret Heb 7.

Both Melchisedec and Son of God are similar each other in the several aspects which include:

Both of them have NO Mother !

Unless the writer believe that Son of God didn't have Mother and Melchisedec didn't have Mother, He wouldn't have compared them each other.

If Melchisedec had a Mother but she is unknown, Heb writer wouldn't have said he had No Beginning!

Jesus had No beginning, because He is Eternal Being, since far before Mary was, the Son of Man.


Jesus had a Father, but No Mother. His Father is the Great God!

Do you think Jesus had 50% of His genoms from Mary and another 50% from God?

Don't make what you think, what I think! As are the heavens higher than the earth, are God's thoughts higher than your or my thoughts.

The Son of God has no beginning; He BECAME a man, the man, Jesus of Nazareth who IS BOTH THE GREAT GOD AND THE THE SON OF MARY. Jesus the Son of God is the same Person of the Godhead, the Son of God IN DIFFERENT FORM.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You don't know how to interpret Heb 7.

Both Melchisedec and Son of God are similar each other in the several aspects which include:

Both of them have NO Mother !

Unless the writer believe that Son of God didn't have Mother and Melchisedec didn't have Mother, He wouldn't have compared them each other.

If Melchisedec had a Mother but she is unknown, Heb writer wouldn't have said he had No Beginning!

Jesus had No beginning, because He is Eternal Being, since far before Mary was.


Jesus had a Father, but No Mother. His Father is the Great God!

Do you think Jesus had 50% of His genoms from Mary and another 50% from God?

Don't make what you think, what I think! As are the heavens higher than the earth, are God's thoughts higher than your or my thoughts.

The Son of God has no beginning; He BECAME a man, the man, Jesus of Nazareth who IS BOTH THE GREAT GOD AND THE THE SON OF MARY. Jesus the Son of God is the same Person of the Godhead, the Son of God IN DIFFERENT FORM, the Son of Man.

Jesus was not "Jesus ... far before Mary"; Jesus was the Son of God, far before Mary.

 

[Eliyahu]

Don't make what you think, what I think! As are the heavens higher than the earth, are God's thoughts higher than your or my thoughts.

The Son of God has no beginning; He BECAME a man, the man, Jesus of Nazareth who IS BOTH THE GREAT GOD AND THE THE SON OF MARY. Jesus the Son of God is the same Person of the Godhead, the Son of God IN DIFFERENT FORM, the Son of Man.

Jesus was not "Jesus ... far before Mary"; Jesus was the Son of God, far before Mary.

Jesus was mentioning Abraham in Jn 8:56-58, saying that Abe anticipated to see Him, then saw Him and rejoiced.

Was Jesus, who was born thru Mary, different from Jesus whom Abraham saw?

Where is the <Jesus> gone, whom Abraham anticipated to see and rejoiced after seeing eventually ?

Moses regarded the afflictions for Christ better than the wealth of Egypt ( Heb 11:26)
Was the Christ, whom Moses worked for, different from Jesus Christ?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Jesus was mentioning Abraham in Jn 8:56-58, saying that Abe anticipated to see Him, then saw Him and rejoiced.

Was Jesus, who was born thru Mary, different from Jesus whom Abraham saw?

Where is the <Jesus> gone, whom Abraham anticipated to see and rejoiced after seeing eventually ?

Moses regarded the afflictions for Christ better than the wealth of Egypt ( Heb 11:26)
Was the Christ, whom Moses worked for, different from Jesus Christ?

Jesus who was born through Mary was the Christ of God BECOME A MAN and therefore was the same Christ but different as when and how Abraham had seen Him. He is gone back to the right hand of God but now in body and flesh as the Son of Man—the SAME Son of Man and Son of God whom Abraham anticipated to see and rejoiced after having seen Him BY FAITH.

Moses regarded the afflictions for Christ better than the wealth of Egypt ( Heb 11:26)—the very Christ whom he served and none different than Jesus the Christ born of the virgin Mary.

Just old Gospel Truth and Good News; nothing to speculate about; just to believe.

 

[Eliyahu]

Jesus who was born through Mary was the Christ of God BECOME A MAN and therefore was the same Christ but different as when and how Abraham had seen Him. He is gone back to the right hand of God but now in body and flesh as the Son of Man—the SAME Son of Man and Son of God whom Abraham anticipated to see and rejoiced after having seen Him BY FAITH.

Moses regarded the afflictions for Christ better than the wealth of Egypt ( Heb 11:26)—the very Christ whom he served and none different than Jesus the Christ born of the virgin Mary.

Just old Gospel Truth and Good News; nothing to speculate about; just to believe.

Yeah!, Abraham met Him too!
Then Jesus existed and had the brain to think even before He was born thru Mary.

Mary was just a Surrogate mother like a mother for the In-Vitro baby.

Do you still think that Jesus had 50% of His genomes from Mary and another 50% from God?

Heb 7:1-5 could not say that Melchisedek had no mother, similar to Son of God, unless the writer believed that Melichisedek had no mother and Son of God had no Mother either. In that aspect, they are similar each other as the 2 photos of 1 person, one for one's childhood and another for his adulthood.

 

[BobRyan]

The above "title" is of an article at WayofLife.org by Bro.David Cloud. In light of recent events in the Catholic Church and the world I believe the subject matter is very relevant to all here including those on this board that are professing and practicing Catholics. I am posting this article in its entirety with the prior permission of Bro.Cloud since it is copyrighted material. The article is as follows:

Bro.Greg:saint:
For photos of Mary on God’s throne, Mary the Queen of Peace, Mary hanging on the cross, Mary adored by the apostles, and Mary on the ark of the covenant see the following:
www.wayoflife.org/database/maryolatry.html
_____________________

In spite of claims of contemporary Catholic propagandists, the Roman Catholic Church worships Mary. They use the term “venerate,” but it is the same thing.

According to Rome, she was immaculately (sinlessly) conceived, participated in Christ’s suffering for mankind, ascended bodily to Heaven, was crowned Queen of the universe, and intercedes for sinners.

During a radio message concluding the Jubilee of the Redemption, April 28, 1935, Pope Pius XI gave the Catholic Mary the title Co-redemptrix. At least five times Pope Paul II referred to her by this title in his papal statements. In his general audience in 1997, he said that Mary “collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity” (Vatican Information Service, April 9, 1997). This pope dedicated himself and the whole world to Mary.

The influential book The Glories of Mary by Alphonsus Mary de Liguori, a Catholic saint, calls Mary our Life, our Help, our Advocate, our Guardian, our Mediatress, our Salvation, and the Hope of Sinners. Chapter 5 says “Mary’s intercession is necessary for our salvation.” This book was tested 20 times by the rules of Pope Urban VIII and Pope Benedict XIV and was said to contain not “one word worthy of censure.” It was pronounced to be without error by Pope Pius VII and by Pope Leo XII. Pope John Paul II acknowledged Liguori’s influence in his own idolatrous affection for Mary. Liguori’s book continues to be published today with the imprimatur [Latin meaning “let it be printed”] of various Catholic authorities.

MARY ON THE CROSS

In the Church of the Mother of God of Polish Martyrs in Warsaw, Poland, Mary is depicted hanging on the cross holding the child Jesus.
www.wayoflife.org/database/maryolatry.html

So then make a view images of Mary and then pray to her through her images - you know, the same way that the Hindus do it - praying to the higher beings (and they have over 3 million) via their images.

Or .. err.. maybe that is what we are not supposed to do - since we are Christians.

It is something to think about for sure - because as Christians go - more than half of us are doing it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

Or .. err.. maybe that is what we are not supposed to do - since we are Christians.

It is something to think about for sure - because as Christians go - more than half of us are doing it.

in Christ,
Bob

Good to have you back, Bob.

 

[BobRyan]

DHK - good to be back my friend.

I missed you guys.

Glad to see all the familiar screen names.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Eliyahu]

True. And no woman except Mary ever concieved in this way OR had the HS as her spouse. Hmmm....

WM

Master-Piece!


You are proving your belief that Mary is the wife of the Holy Spirit!

You will rejoice with this:


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]She is the best and most loyal friend of Jesus Christ because in Her Holy and Immaculate Heart He is still Her son.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Jesus knows that She will never betray Him and that Her Love is Pure and Infinite.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And this is my message to all hateful fanatical Anti-Catholics, Bible Twisters, Ignorant Liars, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Wolfs in Sheep Clothing, many hateful Fundamental Protestants, Communists, Marxists, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Nazis, Liberals, Atheists, the New Age Globalists, and other diabolical lunatics of false religions [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]whose God is Satan him self. Their churches and organizations are not founded by Jesus Christ but by Lucifer-Satan him self. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Their diabolical false teachings are full of hate toward the Catholic Church, and Catholics[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]because Holy Apostolic Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ personally. [/FONT]


http://www.marianland.com/truech01.html


But our Lord Jesus Christ said this:

Luke 11:27-28

27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.