Originally posted by Ronald H.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ronald H.:
This is not a war, it's a mistake and a joke!
You had best not use such ignorant language in the presence of someone who has lost a loved one or friend fighting in the battle against al Qaeda in Iraq. They might very well smite you on your cheek. And I wouldn't blame them if they do so. </font>[/QUOTE]You got to be kidding me! What's ignorant about it? Just because you know or anyone else knows someone that enlisted in the Military and died in Iraq has nothing to do with me. I CAN SAY WHAT I WANT!</font>[/QUOTE]You are correct, in general, you may say whatever you want in a free society with free speech. And, I certainly would defend your right to do so in a public forum paid for with taxpayer dollars. That is part of what makes this country great is the right to dissent without fear of imprisonment, torture, or death. However, I would say, for what it is worth, that there are many people who have family in Iraq, or friends (in my case) in Iraq right now. Many of us who have family and friends in the military would argue that if you degrade their mission, then you are degrading them. Please, don't do that. It isn't nice to degrade their work and what they are fighting and dying for. That is just my opinion.
I did not say that those fighting overthere are a joke, DID I. THE WAR IS A JOKE.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Liberating millions of people is no joke.
Not one soldier overthere is dying for me, get it. SADDAM WAS NOT A THREAT TO THIS COUNTRY, and the FACTS are that those people fighting against the US are not all AL QAEDA! You people will call anyone Al QAEDA to prove that we are fighting terrorist in Iraq. FACT, We are fighting IRAQI's in IRAQ![/QUOTE]
1. Saddam was a threat to our country and no longer is. He was not, himself, Al Quaeda. Bit, he was working with Al Quaeda as is evidenced by his terror training camps and his harbouring Abu Nidal. Further, Sarin Gas has been found. He did have WMD's and used it on his own people. Those who don't respect the human rights of their own people will certainly eventually become a threat to us. We are fighting a war of pre-emption. Most people I know would rather not wait for the next 9-11 before we justify defending ourselves.
2. You are correct when you say that not all the enemy is Al Quaeda. Nobody has ever said otherwise. I think your mistake is not recognizing that all these terrorist groups are working together.
3. We are not fighting mainly Iraqis. In fact, most of the MSM points out that most of the terrorists come from outside of the country. They have come to fight freedom in Iraq because they are desperately holding on to their fear society in the Middle East. Further, the Iraqi people, for the most part, are not fighting against us, but rather are fighting and dying with us.
Ask yourself this question <personal attack deleted>, how many innocent non combatants did were killed?[/QUOTE]
How many of those were killed by terrorists? How many innocent people were gassed by Saddam? How many innocent people were tortured, imprisoned, raped, and murdered by Saddam? How many mass graves were filled by Saddam? There is no moral equivalence there. Americans do not, as a policy, target innocent civilians. The terrorists do. Saddam even went as far as using innocent civilians in Gulf War one as human shields. We liberated these people from this butcher and they are certainly better off than where they were.
Don't look for any patriotism from me, YOU AIN'T GOING TO GET IT,[/QUOTE]
Not surprising.
NOT FOR THIS SO-CALLED WAR! I gave it when we went after OSAMA, because OSAMA claimed 911, SADDAM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.[/QUOTE]
Bush has never said that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11. He did say that there were connections between him and Al Quaeda and that they were actively giving aid to Al Quaeda at the time. He did say that Saddam was trying to hide WMD's. Indeed recently, our troops did find biles of sarin gas. Saddam has a record of supporting Al Quaeda and international terrorism (offered money to Palestinian families of suicide bombers in Israel to go and kill Jews, Americans, etc...). Please, don't feel to bad for Saddam. He wasn't as innocent as you might think.
And please don't give me that mess about US fighting for Iraqi freedoms, They did not asked for it, BUT SUDAN IS.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever heard of an organization called Women for a Free Iraq. They are a group of Iraqi dissidents here in America who fled Iraq during Saddam's brutal regime. They tell their stories of how they were raped. Some were tortured. Some had friends and family who were imprisoned and killed by Saddam and his sons. In 2003, they wrote President Bush and Prime Minister Blair a letter encouraging them to liberate Iraq. Here is the letter to President Bush:
We regret that the use of force to remove Saddam’s evil regime will entail the suffering of innocent people. But we also know that many lives have been lost in the past and many more will be lost in the future if Saddam is not stopped. The cost of inaction and appeasement would be very high for the people of America and Iraq alike. We know from personal experience that Saddam cannot be “contained” and will always be a danger to the world.
The Iraqi people will help to liberate their country, just as they heeded America’s call to rise up against Saddam after the Gulf War in 1991. But without American assistance, that uprising was crushed. Some of us participated in that uprising, risking our lives and losing relatives. When the United States comes to our assistance this time, the Iraqi people will not only be grateful, we will join in. But we cannot overthrow Saddam on our own.
We look forward to the day when, with the help of Americans and others of good will, Iraq can take its place as a Free World nation – a nation that is founded on the rule of law and equal rights for all citizens, where women participate fully in society, their rights respected and protected. As you plan for a post-Saddam Iraq, we ask you to maintain your commitment to establishing the building blocks of democracy, and to ensure that no neighboring powers interfere militarily with our desire to live in a free, pluralistic and democratic Iraq. Anything less would be an opportunity foregone to dramatically change the fate of millions of Iraqis, and sow the seeds for even greater changes across the Middle East.
Women For A Free Iraq
So where is the congressional APPROVAL for this obvious genocide![/QUOTE]
I could be wrong, but I believe that Congress gave approval for the war with Iraq, including Senators Kerry and Edwards (who now criticize the war for political gain). BTW, we are not committing genocide. As I said before, we do not target innocent civilians.
THERE WAS NO GENOCIDE IN IRAQ, SADDAM DID NOT TRY TO WIPE OUT THE SHAITE'S!
THE WAR IS A JOKE, AND A BAD ONE!
Ron
Continued name calling will result in a suspension or banning from this board [/QUOTE]
Tell that to the Kurds. I don't think you are in touch with reality if you are able to overlook the mass graves that were filled under Saddam. Saddam was a genocidal maniac and so were his sons. Good riddance to bad rubbish and God Bless America and George W. Bush for taking a stand for what is right in this war.
Joseph Botwinick
