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So you admit to being ignorant of all the facts yet you attacked "Old" anyways, and you write off anyone who disagrees with you, as wanting to start a war. Not very honest, or rational.

And remember, economic sanctions don't work, and they create enemies. They kill civilians by starving them. Should you be treated in a condescending manner because you seem to value these people so little ?



Anyways, back O/T, Russia has already been tossed from the G8, correct ?

 

No. The last thing I have heard is that Obama has suspended preparations for the US to go to the G8 conference to be held in Sochi.

 

Does anyone know all the facts. I do know enough history and facts to know that the idea of going to war in the Crimea is foolishness of the highest.

I also know that 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th century thinking no longer is advisable ... if it ever was.

Old seems to have no understanding of what such a war would entail and how exceedingly difficult it would be to maintain. Logistics alone would be a horrific nightmare.

And war does not create enemies? Why do you worry about starvation, but not the killing of innocents in a war?

Not yet. It might happen. But European powers might block that.

 

That's right. They are hosting it. Putin May lose a few big names with this stunt.

 

C.T.Boy, it is neither honest or rational to say I don't care about innocents perishing in a war. It is neither honest or rational to say I want war. Leave the personal hate aside when you try and debate.

 

Take thy own advice.

Back to the subject. What do you think we should do?

 

Old, now that you have spewed bile all over I assume you feel better.

Now please answer these questions:

How would you get troops to the Ukraine. There is no assurance that Western European countries would allow the US to overfly their countries or use them for us to transit on the ground?

How would you get naval ships through the Dardanelles?

How would you supply the needs of the military once they are there?

In no other countries would help with their military, would you favor going alone?

Where is your invasion points?

What would you exit strategy be?

 

A tad bit, yes. :laugh:

Russia does not want a war. Not now, at any rate. What they want is to push the Western powers as far as they can be pushed, and with this Little Marxist Dictator in office, there is no real leadership in the West. This despite the fact that, for the time being, the U.S. military is still the most efficient and powerful fighting force in the world. A mere rattle of a U.S. saber would be sufficient to give Russia pause. Europe disarmed 20 years ago, and now I'm sure are wishing they had not done so. Russia, if unchallenged, will become adventurous enough to retake all of the old Eastern Bloc. The LMD is unwilling to rattle, however, despite the fact it would make Putin blink.

Putin is an only line Communist who had childhood heroes the likes of Nikita Khrushchev and Yuri Andropov. In fact, he was a protégé of Andropov. He is old-line, ruthless KGB. He won't stop until someone makes him stop. If we don't sanction and threaten now, we will be in a ground war in Europe inside of five years, or we will (as is more likely) simply acquiesce to a new Soviet Union.

The world is not as the Little Marxist Dictator want it to be. It is as it is. The world has not gotten more civilized. It has remained just as ruthless, dangerous, cut-throat and imperialist as it was before the old Soviet Union fell. Putin is Exhibit A of that fact.

 

The problem is that if you rattle your sabre you had better be ready to use it. It could be a costly rattle if the rattling fails.

I am not sure the Putin is willing to back down from this administration.

 

That's my point. He's not. But only because he knows this administration won't unsheathe the saber much less rattle it.

 

I agree with you, and I do believe Putin will go ahead and take Ukraine regardless.

This is just my interpretation of prophecy, but I think Ukraine is part of Magog and will be united with Russia along with Albania and/or Georgia before the Ezek. 38-39 war takes place.

 

If you stick to rational and honest statements you will have no problem with me.

We should do nothing. Save to say give them back the nukes we tricked them into surrendering. (That's the only decent move I can think of. It's our shenanigans with the Euroweenies that have helped the Ukraine get in this spot. But I am quite aware of the silliness of the statement.)

 

For the most part I agree with you. The wheels of this were set in motion when Clinton agreed to move NATO eastward. Naturally Russia saw this as a threat.

Where so many use the name Putin I believe that word should be Russia. They are only doing what they have always said they would do in a circumstance like this one. The Ukraine is a "red line" for Russia. They see it as a buffer state and have viewed it as such for centuries.

Economic pressure and European countries should deal with this. We need to stop trying to be the policeman for the entire world.

 

With what? They haven't had military commitment in the EU for 20 years.

I guess we'll just let the Russians reconstitute the old Soviet Union, then. Because unless we stop them, no one will.

 

The US cannot get involved in this. We are broke and cannot afford it. We certainly do not need to be sending them a billion dollars in financial support. We just do not have it.