Saudi Prince Donates $40M to Universities

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0504/15.html

(Originally published in Front Page Magazine)

 

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Dialogue begins when people meet each other. This depends upon mutual understanding and mutual trust. Makes it possible to share in service to the community. Dialogue becomes the medium of authentic witness.

Bro.Curtis, there is no witnessing unless there is dialogue.

Christians need to be informed about other religions and different cultures so that we can show respect for others and be sensitive to their views and needs. Another part of good practice is to be at peace with neighbors and to foster good community relations. You can't do that if you refuse to learn about them.

Bro.Curtis, I think you made a nice dodge. You didn't answer my question about whether or not you have been to other countries to bring people to Christ. Without that experience, I don't know if you can understand the importance of this gift. Have you brought a Muslim to Christ? This Islamic program will inform many and we will understand our neighbor better - thus better dialogue and a way to bring about witnessing.

Either way, if you are looking for black/white scriptural evidence, I'm afraid I don't have it. I can only use the brain God gave me and help the best I can and have.

 

Dude, I told you I don't have scriptural evidence for you. I can only tell you how witnessing works around the globe when we as foreigners come into play. The proof is in the fact this is how it works...I have been doing it for years. This is just a common understanding among those who have done this work. This is how the world works.

Jonah obviously spoke their language and if not it was a miracle by God. No doubt it is possible for the Lord to convert anybody. However, when we go to the Middle East we must learn some Arabic if not the language itself. In doing so you naturally learn about the people you are trying to communicate with. You do know more than one language right?

Do yourself a favor, get on a plane and visit the Middle East. You'll understand.

[ December 13, 2005, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: DavidsonBap ]

 

Are you messing with me Bro.Curtis?

If I had to read about wiccans (not believe or practice of course) then I would if that meant it would assist me in bringing one to Christ. I think if somebody is easily influenced or ungrounded in their faith then perhaps it would not be best.

I'm not going to argue with you. You're a pit bull. God bless.

 

I'm curious as to which muslim countries you've been to actively witnessing for Jesus Christ.

 

Did your Uncle Sam pay for that trip?
I wouldn't care to go to the Middle East either.

I don't suppose Jesus would teach Islam, especially considering that Islam came along some 600 years after Jesus departed this earth. (the first time, that is)

And pardon my intrusion again, but I have to say that Anton Levay and Wicca are not related. Levay fouded the First Church of Satan millenia after the first Wiccans/Druids. Wiccans believe that Satan is pure Christian myth, and therefore does not even exist.

Late,
JF

 

I did, and likely will, and sincerely do appreciate your permitting me thereby.

I said already that I understand your concern about the source of money, given that it's a parochial school that's receiving it. I just don't agree with your conclusion. I respect your conclusion regardless, however.

Additionally, the money to Harvard has not been an issue on our threads back and forth, and I make that point only to clarify to lurkers what you and I have been discussing, so as to prevent either of us from beign misquoted in the future (not that this would ever happen on the BB ).

I think my previous answer would qualify here as well: Jesus did not appear to concern himself with scholastic education.

 

You're welcome.

Now, since this is already on page 3, but there might be further discussion, I'm moving it to Politics forum.

 

Ooops, make that page 4.

 

I've got a bit of a sidebar question.

Is $20 million for school or church fund raising as much as it sounds? A local church here in the OC recently acquired land for a sorely needed family life center. The cost was $20 million, and that was after slimming the project down.

Perhaps here in the OC where undeveloped land alone goes for 1.25 million per acre, 20 million doesn't go nearly as far as it would in, say, Broken Bow, Oklahoma. Even basic church upgrades will go for millions in the OC.

 

I have done witnessing in Morocco, Bahrain, and Jordan. I did try witnessing in Egypt while I studied there but was unsuccessful.

 

I have no idea of the religious affiliation of persons who donate toa building fund. But since I'm not on a building fund committee, then the point is moot.

However, my cousin is a handbell choir director at a christian school. They have been borrowing an other church's set, since they have no bells of their own, and have been raising funds for their own set. I know his brother in law, who is a Muslim, donated $500 to the school for the bell fund. That was a very generous thing for his BiL to do. I see no reason why my cousin should have to return it.

 

Then don't accept such money if you're so convicted. But kindly refrain from judging brethren in like manner. It borders on unrighteousness, which is something I know you generally work to refrain from.

 

LadyEagle that was an awesome description of what true Islam is really about on page 3 of this thread.

The large donations to these U's are not to educate us on Islam so we understand it better while we go on with our western thoughts, but it is for conversion. Why on earth would any rich religious person ever donate large sums of money if it were just to make us a little bit smarter?

Here is a brilliant question to all of you passive christians who are blind and dead to what is really going on.

Have you ever donated money to your missions fund in your church? Did you donate the money so Americans doing missions abroad would take the gospel of Jesus Christ around the globe only to educate people about Jesus Christ and His salvation plan to make them just a little more intellegent or did you donate the money to missions so people would be converted to Jesus Christ? Do we go around the world and sneak bibles into countries that forbid it just to educate them or do we do it to convert people? Do we try and set up christian schools around the world only for educational purposes or do we do it to make disciples of Christ? Do you go to work and tell people about Jesus so they can go home a little smarter or do you do it in hopes they will give their life to Christ? Do you give a bible to an unsaved neighbor in the hopes he will read it and be just a little bit smarter or so he will see God?

Do you think for one minute that these Islamic leaders want you to just know what they believe? If you think Islams goal is not to convert and only educate you are a fool.

Every time I open my mouth about my faith to an uneducated or educated unbeliever it is in hopes that they will be a convert to Christ and anyone believing in islam and talks about it on the streets or in schools are in hopes of converts and nothing else.

Here is another thought.

While we as Christians try to spread the gospel to other countries we go into the poorest of regions to the poorest of villages to the most destitute of people who live the most devestated lives who are under constant suppression and fear for their lives and are usually found in countries that are either communist or muslim countries and try to bring them hope and life in Jesus Christ while the Islamics look for the people in powerful positions who live in prominent places who have the greatest amounts of influence over large amounts of people. Who by the way have had more leaders kill more people who do not agree with their teachings or who do not think the way they think.

While we in our country view these people who do suicide bombings as terrorists alot of muslims consider them to be heros. It really just depends on what you believe.