Saudi Prince Donates $40M to Universities

fatbacker, you have made some very excellent points.

 

Oh please! And to think, I was actually defending you for a moment, believing you would prove to be righteous. But no, you're much happier playing armchair pharisee, content to sit back and accuse my cousin of violating scripture. I suppose next you'll be telling us not to seek treatment at Catholic hospitals.

 

Bro Curtis, I must apologize for losing my cool. Calling you a pharisee was wrong, and I repent of that.

But I think there's a difference between gratitide and fellowshipping. I've mentioned before that I'm involved in Habitat for Humanity. There have been a few Muslims and Jews, as well as Catholics, who have volunteered. I don't think it scripturally wrong for me to swing a hammer next to them.

Likewise, if an individual Muslim donated to a local church's special fund, I likewise don't think it's inappropriate to accept it in gratitude.

Now, as far as Georgetown, they already had an Islamic Studies program, as did Harvard. According to the individual colleges, the money will be used for the program's scholarships, faculty, and infrastructure. So it's not like they had nothing that then, boom, they had an instand 20 million for a new deaprtment.

Do I question the Georgetown donation? Yes. (for the same reasons you do: a parochial school accepting donations from nonparocial donors) Am I overly concerned, no. Georgetown is quite a bit bigger then even a 20 million donation.

 

I have done witnessing in Morocco, Bahrain, and Jordan. I did try witnessing in Egypt while I studied there but was unsuccessful. </font>[/QUOTE]Fortunately for you, you were able to do that. Morocco, Bahrain, and Jordan, while predominantly Muslim, are more Westernized in some respects. I know of some missionaries to Senegal and they were not permitted to speak the Name of Jesus in public, lest they be subject to arrest.

Going to Egypt was rather risky for you. Egypt has persecuted Christians. So has Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, and the majority of Muslim countries.

Most of the our fellow Christians in these countries (and there are MANY) are underground. Nearly all of these countries/regions have had the gospel in times past, and were, for the most part, populated by great numbers of Christians before islam moved in and slaughtered them or chased them out. There was an Early Church in Babylon, for instance.

These are historical facts, whether it paints a pretty picture of islam or not. Some muslims came into these countries where they were invited at first, for trade, etc., such as in America (the way it has been in the past, at least), and when muslims grew in sufficient numbers in the nation, they took over that nation and the jihad began with slaughtering of those who wouldn't covert. That is the history of islam, starting with the Jews in Medina.

Today, Christians in muslim countries, for the most part, suffer, are persecuted, enslaved, raped, have tires put around them soaked with gasoline and are lit on fire to burn to death for Christ. Or they see their family members tortured and butchered in front of their eyes because they won't denounce Jesus Christ and embrace allah. Or they are beheaded because they won't embrace allah. That is the norm for Christians, and especially former muslims who have been won to Christ, in muslim countries.

We are blessed to be able to live in this great land of ours and not be subject to the persecution and suffering that befalls our fellows in these muslim lands.

But you, see, taking over the world is the grand scheme of islamic agenda - the global agenda. In the other thread, you alluded to the fact that Christianity has a global agenda. Well, yes, we do, but not by the same method and not for the same reasons. To compare the two, is apples and oranges.

Bottom line, this money being being poured into American Universities is just to further the islamic cause. If Mr. Sheik was so concerned about greater understanding between the east & west, he should work harder over there in Saudi Arabia to get rid of the hate spewing mullahs in his own country.

I know a couple who lived over there in Saudi for over 30 years (oil business) and they moved back to the States just a couple of years ago. I don't have to go there to know what it's like over there. Or how women are treated there, for instance.

To spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, if that is what your intent is, you don't have to understand customs, a false religion, eating habits, or be a multiculturalist. Why? The Bottom Line is: God says His Word won't come back void. The Holy Spirit is the One who does the work for drawing unto Salvation - and He doesn't need for you or anyone else to study islam in order for Him to do His Special Work. Jesus said that if He be lifted up, He would draw all men to Him.

 

If one looks at how Islam spread it was by force.

 

Giving or accepting a 20 million dollar donation does alot more than increase your curriculum for comparative studies. Theres is obvious religious intent on the part of the MUSLIM Prince.

And for those who think it is a good idea to give that much space other religions in a christian college then I would like to see anyone of you vote to allow a muslim service be held in your church on any given day or have a budhist congergation come into your Baptist church on a tuesday or give space to the agnostics to teach their beliefs. I mean why not it might be good for the other church members to see how they practice their faith and we might learn something. Heck, I cannot afford to go to one of those U's or have the grade point average so why not just let them use our church when we are not in service.

 

LadyEagle, thank you for putting so much work into your post and trying to show me another way to look at things. I appreciate that.

 

The Muslims are buying there way into the American educational system. This is not just about Americans learning about the Islamic religion. It is about the Islamics establishing a beachead in our country.

A couple of years ago it was reported that Prince Abdullah (one of King Fahd's brothers if I am not mistaken) stated that there had never been a church in Saudi Arabia and never would be. When our troops were stationed there in Desert Storm, they were not allowed to make any open displays of Christianity.

That our country would pay one ounce of respect to these Christ hating, liberty hating, terrorists staggers the imagination. But of course, it all comes down to one thing: money.

"The love of money is the root of all evil."

Mark Osgatharp

 

Amen to that.

 

Amen to that. </font>[/QUOTE]Then, as I stated earlier, Mr. Sheik could START by trying to BRIDGE the UNDERSTANDING at his own universities, like in Riyadh or Medinah. Or even the one they fund in Egypt.

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Please, I beg you - Somebody prove I'm wrong and they have American professors over there in Saudi Arabia teaching course about Christianity and the freedoms and achievements of Western civilization and democracy. Why is it contingent upon the West to invite them in our universities and take their money? Why not vice versa? Unless the real motive isn't what is stated, but is as I and others have suggested - to promote islam in the west.

"tolerance" That would be a real side splitter if it wasn't so absurd.

 

Perhaps because we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard when it comes to trying to get along with each other regardless of each other's religious beliefs.

 

Giuliani rejects money

Joseph Botwinick

 

Perhaps because we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard when it comes to trying to get along with each other regardless of each other's religious beliefs. </font>[/QUOTE]Seems to me THEY want to hold us to a higher standard than they do themselves.

 

If we only study our own culture, how will we ever train good political analysts & decent spies?

 

Daisy,

Do these universities train people to be spies?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Spy agencies recruit heavily from universities. Without a broad knowledge and understanding of the target, it would be difficult for a spy to assimilate himself effectively.

 

Well, if they do I see no reason for us to lower our standard to theirs.