"Save yourself..."

[webdog]

You wanted me to be consistent when calling out people on bad behavior, so I decided to start with you.

You called Rippon a troll. You implied he doesn't actually post anything. Those are insults. You should apologize.

Amy, I don't answer to you. It was sarcasm, hyperbole. If you don't like it, oh well.

I think the person you might want to start with is the one you see when you look in the mirror.

 

[Amy.G]

Amy, I don't answer to you. It was sarcasm, hyperbole. If you don't like it, oh well.

I think the person you might want to start with is the one you see when you look in the mirror.

Actually, I don't answer to myself. I have to answer to God.

You do what you think is right.

 

[webdog]

I was talking about your consistancy (or lack thereof), and your need to call me out ("...so I decided to start with you."), not about who to answer to.

 

[Amy.G]

I was talking about your consistancy (or lack thereof), and your need to call me out ("...so I decided to start with you."), not about who to answer to.

Whatever. You shouldn't have used your supposed hyperbole. It was taken as an insult. Bottom line, you should apologize.

But, Rippon doesn't need me to defend him.

I'm done.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ed saves himself from this preverse generation by
going elsewhere.

Come on children, you need to behave.

I'm boycotting this thread for the obvious reasons.
I am NOT boycotting talking to anybody here
elsewhere, if there is an interesting conversation
going on :tear:

 

[webdog]

Whatever. You shouldn't have used your supposed hyperbole. It was taken as an insult. Bottom line, you should apologize.

But, Rippon doesn't need me to defend him.

I'm done.

...so you still say nothing about Rippon wanting to do me physical harm, but are offended by what you deem an "insult" that was done defending another BB member.

Yep, I'm done too.:BangHead:

 

[Amy.G]

...so you still say nothing about Rippon wanting to do me physical harm,

It was hyperbole.

 

[webdog]

It was hyperbole.

Was this, too?
It is his mission in life (as an enlightened one ) to so disfigure Calvinism that all will recoil in horror at such monstrous doctrine that we allegedly propagate

I wonder who said that?

At least you admit it was hyperbole, and you don't see me asking for Rippon to apologize for the above statment or your rendering of his purported "hyperbole".

Is that all SP really does? That is his sole mission in life? Should I put out a pointed list detailing all of what Skypair really does in life, as Rippon did in playing the martyr?

 

[Amy.G]

Was this, too?
It is his mission in life (as an enlightened one ) to so disfigure Calvinism that all will recoil in horror at such monstrous doctrine that we allegedly propagate

Yes. All insults are hyperbole.

(and that is Skypair's objective if you ask me)

 

[webdog]

Have a good weekend Amy. You have become, how did you put it..."quite the challenge" tonight, and I have wasted enough energy on this.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Have a good weekend Amy. You have become, how did you put it..."quite the challenge" tonight, and I have wasted enough energy on this.

Does that mean you are done again? :laugh:

Sorry brother...... I couldn't help. You know I love you though. :thumbs:

 

[webdog]

Does that mean you are done again? :laugh:

Sorry brother...... I couldn't help. You know I love you though. :thumbs:

NOW I'm done...for real. Seriously, I'm done. That's it I tell you!

fin

 

[David Lamb]

Would anyone like to explain what this means?

Acts 2:40 -- "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." How can this be done, Calvies? What was Peter talking about? Isn't salvation "all of God?"

To be completely fair, the whole CONTEXT is in answer to "What must we do?" Peter answered 1) repent, 2) be baptized, 3) receive the Spirit, and 4) "...many other things did he testify and exhort saying "Save yourselves from this untoward generation." So what does it mean??

skypair

According to Strong's Concordance, the verb translated "save yourselves" in the KJV/AV is in fact in the passive mood. That being the case, I imagine the NKJV's "Be saved from this perverse generation" would be a more accurate rendering.

 

[skypair]

So you see, Jesus Himself said no one can know the Father unless He (Jesus) exercises His will to reveal Him.

I'll agree with that. In the cintext of Adam in Genesis, it was God revealing Himself -- here it is Jesus. Same, same.

He reveals to "all" as you say. That is true too.

So the pattern of Adam is correct: Innocence - sin - hide from God (death) - God comes calling - Adam comes out (repents) - God provides provision.

As many a pastor will tell you, it isn't God that changes either when you sin or when you repent --- it is YOU who makes the change in your attitude toward God.

skypair

 

[PK]

I'll agree with that. In the cintext of Adam in Genesis, it was God revealing Himself -- here it is Jesus. Same, same.

He reveals to "all" as you say. That is true too.

So the pattern of Adam is correct: Innocence - sin - hide from God (death) - God comes calling - Adam comes out (repents) - God provides provision.

As many a pastor will tell you, it isn't God that changes either when you sin or when you repent --- it is YOU who makes the change in your attitude toward God.

skypair

Well said!

 

[skypair]

According to Strong's Concordance, the verb translated "save yourselves" in the KJV/AV is in fact in the passive mood. That being the case, I imagine the NKJV's "Be saved from this perverse generation" would be a more accurate rendering.

David -- thanks for bringing some intellectual fodder to the discussion. But doesn't that leave out the word "yourself?" Is it "[be saved] yourselves from this untoward generation?"

And what about "repent" that precedes all these things -- baptism, receiving, being saved? The act of repentance on our part is what leads to the others, is it not? And it is the way we "save ourselves" in Christ. We turn to Him, right? Or do you not believe that?

skypair

 

[David Lamb]

David -- thanks for bringing some intellectual fodder to the discussion. But doesn't that leave out the word "yourself?" Is it "[be saved] yourselves from this untoward generation?"

And what about "repent" that precedes all these things -- baptism, receiving, being saved? The act of repentance on our part is what leads to the others, is it not? And it is the way we "save ourselves" in Christ. We turn to Him, right? Or do you not believe that?

skypair

I don't really rate looking up a word in a concordance as "intellectual fodder".:laugh:

As I understand it, (and I freely admit that I do not know NT Greek - I have to rely on others) the word(s) translated "save yourselves" mean ""Be saved" or "Be ye saved".

Regarding repentance, and turning to Christ, you should know by now that I do believe these to be absolutely necessary, and that God grants to those on whom He has mercy the ability to do these things.

 

[Rippon]

The particular wording of "save yourselves" is causing you confusion SP . Or , you are willfully distorting the meaning to promote your errant views .
The drift of Peter's expression means to keep yourselves away from the sin and evil practices of the culture of the time . Escape , get out while you can or the punishment that will fall on them is bound to fall on you . Repent and believe what I am telling you . As a result with these and many other words directed to them 3,000 people were added to the Church that day . Actually , all who had been appointed to eternal life believed . Gotta' love the Lord's preordination .

A refresher is needed .

 

[canadyjd]

He reveals to "all" as you say. That is true too.

No, He didn't. Jesus's call was to those who were "weary" and "heavyladen". Not to everyone. I see those who are "weary" and "heavyladen" as those being under conviction of Holy Spirit concerning their own sinfulness and separation from God.

So the pattern of Adam is correct: Innocence - sin - hide from God (death) - God comes calling - Adam comes out (repents) - God provides provision.

You are just going to have to show-me where Adam repented. My bible says Adam blamed his wife for giving him the fruit, and blamed God for giving him his wife. I see no repentance at all. What followed was not Adam "coming out", it was God "kicking them out" of the garden.

As many a pastor will tell you, it isn't God that changes either when you sin or when you repent --- it is YOU who makes the change in your attitude toward God.

I thank God that my salvation was not dependant upon me changing my attitude toward God all by myself, but dependent upon the grace of the Living God being poured out by Holy Spirit.

peace to youraying:

 

[skypair]

No, He didn't. Jesus's call was to those who were "weary" and "heavyladen". Not to everyone. I see those who are "weary" and "heavyladen" as those being under conviction of Holy Spirit concerning their own sinfulness and separation from God.

But if the Spirit "convicts the WORLD of sin, of righteousness, and of justice, then ALL are "weary and heavy laden," canady.

But I know ---- you are going to pervert the meaning of "world" and invoke the wrath of God upon yourself, aren't you?

You are just going to have to show-me where Adam repented. My bible says Adam blamed his wife for giving him the fruit, and blamed God for giving him his wife. I see no repentance at all.

In my interpretation, Adam quit hiding (wherein was his separation and "spiritual death) and, when God called again, he went to God. Repenting doesn't make us perfect. Accepting God's "gift" makes us perfect. You are interpretting Adam's excuses as if they were the repentance. No, reviving the relationship through repentance makes receiving salvation possible.

What followed was not Adam "coming out", it was God "kicking them out" of the garden.

You're getting ahead of the story -- twice now. But consider this -- if you were saved as a teen, it wouldn't be long before you would realize that on account of your sin -- whether before or after it -- YOU were thrust into a "brave new world," an environment unlike the secure, loving home.

I thank God that my salvation was not dependant upon me changing my attitude toward God all by myself, but dependent upon the grace of the Living God being poured out by Holy Spirit.

Who said "all be youself?" Did you hear God calling before or after you were saved (Think about Adam. Did he hear God calling before God saved him?).

Who made the "move" when God called -- you or God? God's always been there. Peter said "though He be very near," right? It was YOU that moved, wasn't it? You ran away in sin and come near in repentance.

skypair