"Save yourself..."

But your interpretation of scripture does not bare resemblance to what scripture actually says. The Gen. 3 account makes no mention of Adam coming to God when He called. You are building your theology on your assumptions, not on the actual words of scripture. Hence, your error.

Again, your theology is built upon your assumtions of what the man did, not the actual testimony of what God did. Scripture doens't say a single thing about Adam repenting. It just isn't there.

The scripture focus is on what God did to restore the relationship. The man and his wife did nothing but stand there in their shame until God made the sacrafice and clothed them according to the kind intention of His will.

I repented and believed in Jesus Christ in response to what God had already done to me and for me by Holy Spirit; He regenerated my nature and that allowed me to see my sinfulness and need for a savior. When I responded in faith to what God had already done, He gave to me the Indwelling Holy Spirit as a pledge promise of the promises to me and all others who have acknowledged Jesus in faith.

peace to youraying:

 

time salvation

When I was a child we used wood heat. The wood stove would be very hot. My parents taught me to not touch it or I would be burned. My choice to obey or disobey resulted in either my being burned or being 'saved' from being burned. Neither my choice to obey nor to disobey altered my position as a child of my parents.

The OP passage is speaking clearly and emphatically to all who are children of God, the passage is speaking of a salvation in time and is not related to eternal life. All who are able to hear are already children.

bro. Dallas:wavey: :type:

 

I am just checking something with you, Skypair, before I go making a fool of myself because I have misunderstood something:

You say that "election (is) the purpose for which God saved us." Does that mean that you believe God saves sinners in order to elect them? If so, what, in your view, does "elect" mean?

 

It also says that those who are "born again" (which I see as regenerated) are done so by the will of Holy Spirit who moves according to His will and men cannot know when and where He will move. (John 3).

And BTW, I wasn't arguing. I pointed out your doctrine is built upon your assumptions, instead of what scripture actually says and in some cases contrary to what the scripture actually says. You asked about how I was saved. I told you. There is nothing to argue about, is there?

peace to youraying:

 

To them

Skypair those are arguing with you think that those are going to be saved by God are going to be saved no matter what we say. I don't see any reason for them arguing with you unless it is just to protect thier own belief system.

If you are wrong and they are right you and they have nothing to worry about, but both of our concerns are if they are wrong people that can be saved will have hell to pay.

To me and you thier message is a message that are leading men to thier own destruction not ours.

You can give them they word, but you cannot make them believe.

God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yes those who God preordained children who do not lean on thier own understanding, but trust in the name of the Lord believed. God does want all men to be saved and come to the truth, but you have to come come as a child.

You can't pick and chose which scripture you want to believe in, but they all are the truth.

They think they entered through election, but election cannot save you if you do not come to Jesus.

Jesus is the way, not election.

Election is the first step, but you cannot be saved unless you come to Jesus.

Jesus is our hope. When they try to say you are lifting up yourself, lift up Jesus and prove them a liar

 

Well, yeah. God is the one who chooses, not you and skypair.

Again, you seem to think you are the important part in salvation coming to men, not God, His mercy and grace. If you didn't think it was all about you, you wouldn't be so defensive.

But skypair doesn't give us the Word of God. He gives us skypair's interpretation, based on assumptions that are often contrary to the very words of scripture he is trying to explain. I know he has stated that if you disagree with him, that is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but I, for one, don't give him quite so much credit.

And they all rejected the truth.

Praise God for His mercy!!!

Agreed!

I don't know who "they" are, but I know I was saved by God's grace and mercy.

And you won't come to Jesus unless Holy Spirit calls you, regenerates you and leads you to Christ.

You can't lift up Jesus by changing the words of scripture to fit what you want them to mean. You can't lift up Jesus by claiming God, Holy Spirit has so gifted your interpretation of scripture that for anyone to disagree with you is blaspheming Holy Spirit (that is lifting up yourself). You can't lift up Jesus by constantly comparing yourself to the Apostle Paul and others who wrote scripture under inspiration of Holy Spirit.(that is lifting up yourself) You can't lift up Jesus by saying you know better than the person you are talking to how they learned certain doctrine, or why they believe certain doctrine. (As if you can read their minds, or know their lives better than they do)

You can't lift up Jesus be claiming you are the only one who knows how people get to heaven, and if anyone teaches anything other than what you say, they are leading people to destruction.

There, I have had my say.

peace to youraying:

 

Salvation

I cannot save myself for the wages ogf my sin is death. It isn't belief, but death. So it is what God through Jesus did on the cross that saved me

It wasn't me who said it, but God.

I trust in Him, if He say's something it is the truth. He is no liar or a deceiver.

This isn't my words but His.

Psalm 22:5
They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed.

Romans 10:11
As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

1 Timothy 2
:3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time. 7And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

Your belief system has been around since the day of Paul, but as Paul has said that God does want all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and i am not lying to you.

 

Promise to keep

These are the people God preordained and made a promise to keep them.

Zephaniah 3:12
But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD.

It surely isn't men who have chosen themselves and call themselves the elect of God

 

So there are many "gods" who will tell you not to touch the stove ?

nice try, too.

 

good to know you have a sense of humor, after all.