SBC President's pronouncement on 'Black Lives Matter' slogan

[Katarina Von Bora]

A myth?
In less than 3 months we have seen black men murdered for no reason. The long line of unjust murders goes on for nearly 400 years on this continent. Yet, you call it a myth.
Rev, the myth is in your denial, not in reality. Now, go repent of your racist heart.

I'm weary of your name calling. The Bible has standards for Christian speech.

James 1:26 New English Translation (English Standard Version (ESV)

26 If someoneanyone thinks he is religious yetand does not bridle his tongue, and so but deceives his heart, histhis person's religion is futile. worthless.

Titus 3:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

1 Peter 3:15 English Standard Version
15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to
make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Ephesians 4:29English Standard Version (ESV)

29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

2 Timothy 2:14English Standard Version (ESV)

14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God[a] not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

Please stop. It adds nothing to the conversation and stirs up anger.

I have reported your post. It violates the TOS.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Why?
Not really.
There is practically no meaningfull racism on the part of white believers, or non-believers at this point....
what "racism" is this that you speak of????
The five people on storm-front??
The 25 total folks who are still members of the KKK?
White racism isn't a real thing in this country, as soon as you people get that, everything will be fine.
Whites have neither the time, energy, nor inclination to care about melatonin count in inhabitants of this country.
We're just trying to not get imprisoned for insufficiently paying our taxes, while simultaneously almost sole-handedly populating the U.S. Marine Corps.

What "wrongdoing"?
The alleged wrongdoing of a few cops somewhere in Minnessotta?
The cops who have already been fired, charged with crimes and officially investigated?
What do you want? a lynching without due-process??
The allegedly guilty party has already been arrested and charged.
He will face a prosecution in court.
Why don't you walk away with that and do something meaningful?


In a country of well over 350 million people....there's a few racists.
Not many....a negligible amount.
This country is the most accepting, non-racist, and fair-minded nation in the HISTORY of planet Earth.
It's not "perfect"....
But, have you ever gone to Japan?
Have you been a white person in a Japanese company head-quarters and seen an opulently made stairwell which has a sign reading: "for 'Japanese' only....all non-Japanese take the other stairs"?
No, you haven't, because you have no idea how insanely racist the rest of planet Earth is, and cannot appreciate how true it is that the United States of America is comparatively, the most accepting and non-racist Nation in the entire history of the world....


Independents are the people who know and believe absolutely nothing...and can't figure out the fundamental difference between right and wrong.

Wow, I cannot believe you wrote that. Your response is hostile and seeks no dialogue. I'll call out sin as sin, Brother. You spoke with wounding vitriol. Your trying to get an angry response. I'm just going to pray for you.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

If the BB leadership wishes to support racism in the body of Christ, they may ban me. If they wish to address Christians who are being racist, they will speak up and declare that all racist comments will be subject to removal and reprimand.
It is not heinous to call out brothers and sisters who harbor racism in their lives. Paul called out Peter for his racist actions against Gentiles in the book of Acts and in Galatians.

Galatians 2:11-14 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”

If this is the way you treat the Bible, it's no wonder you speak with hostility. Unbelievers are watching so you might want to reconsider your words.

Yes, I have reported this post and I will continue to do so as long as you keep verbally assaulting others.

 

[church mouse guy]

Wow, I cannot believe you wrote that. Your response is hostile and seeks no dialogue. I'll call out sin as sin, Brother. You spoke with wounding vitriol. Your trying to get an angry response. I'm just going to pray for you.

Huh?

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Huh?

Why?
Not really.
There is practically no meaningfull racism on the part of white believers, or non-believers at this point....
what "racism" is this that you speak of????
The five people on storm-front??
The 25 total folks who are still members of the KKK?
White racism isn't a real thing in this country, as soon as you people get that, everything will be fine.
Whites have neither the time, energy, nor inclination to care about melatonin count in inhabitants of this country.
We're just trying to not get imprisoned for insufficiently paying our taxes, while simultaneously almost sole-handedly populating the U.S. Marine Corps.

What "wrongdoing"?
The alleged wrongdoing of a few cops somewhere in Minnessotta?
The cops who have already been fired, charged with crimes and officially investigated?
What do you want? a lynching without due-process??
The allegedly guilty party has already been arrested and charged.
He will face a prosecution in court.
Why don't you walk away with that and do something meaningful?


In a country of well over 350 million people....there's a few racists.
Not many....a negligible amount.
This country is the most accepting, non-racist, and fair-minded nation in the HISTORY of planet Earth.
It's not "perfect"....
But, have you ever gone to Japan?
Have you been a white person in a Japanese company head-quarters and seen an opulently made stairwell which has a sign reading: "for 'Japanese' only....all non-Japanese take the other stairs"?
No, you haven't, because you have no idea how insanely racist the rest of planet Earth is, and cannot appreciate how true it is that the United States of America is comparatively, the most accepting and non-racist Nation in the entire history of the world....


Independents are the people who know and believe absolutely nothing...and can't figure out the fundamental difference between right and wrong.

I'm sorry. Maybe I'm too thin skinned for politics. I felt like I was being talked down to. At least I prayed for my opponent when angry, I was going to post this.

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I'll just try to engage in discussion. I'll reply to HeirofSalvation in a little.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Why?
Not really.
There is practically no meaningfull racism on the part of white believers, or non-believers at this point....
what "racism" is this that you speak of????
The five people on storm-front??
The 25 total folks who are still members of the KKK?
White racism isn't a real thing in this country, as soon as you people get that, everything will be fine.
Whites have neither the time, energy, nor inclination to care about melatonin count in inhabitants of this country.
We're just trying to not get imprisoned for insufficiently paying our taxes, while simultaneously almost sole-handedly populating the U.S. Marine Corps.

What "wrongdoing"?
The alleged wrongdoing of a few cops somewhere in Minnessotta?
The cops who have already been fired, charged with crimes and officially investigated?
What do you want? a lynching without due-process??
The allegedly guilty party has already been arrested and charged.
He will face a prosecution in court.
Why don't you walk away with that and do something meaningful?


In a country of well over 350 million people....there's a few racists.
Not many....a negligible amount.
This country is the most accepting, non-racist, and fair-minded nation in the HISTORY of planet Earth.
It's not "perfect"....
But, have you ever gone to Japan?
Have you been a white person in a Japanese company head-quarters and seen an opulently made stairwell which has a sign reading: "for 'Japanese' only....all non-Japanese take the other stairs"?
No, you haven't, because you have no idea how insanely racist the rest of planet Earth is, and cannot appreciate how true it is that the United States of America is comparatively, the most accepting and non-racist Nation in the entire history of the world....


Independents are the people who know and believe absolutely nothing...and can't figure out the fundamental difference between right and wrong.

I have a friend who lost people in Oklahoma City to white supremacists in the bombing. I know the race war army types are real.

I was argued with by someone on this board for saying all of Adam and Eve's children are of equal dignity no matter skin color. Until the content of our character is how we are judged by unbelievers, racism is a problem. I agree though, that believers, the Brethren, tend not to be racists. Particular posted a good story of growing out of peer pressure to be racist.

Other nations are far more racist. We still have laws in Western countries that declare citizenship primarily over being born to parents of a national (Lux in Sanguinus) instead of being born on your soil (Lux in Terra). It's usually to keep a nation more pure blooded. That just speaks to how damned their cultures are. I want the Brethren and my own nation to be as free of racism as the constitution allows.

This is a really good discussion we had on addressing racism on the Baptist Board.

What is the Christian theological response to racism?

I have nothing to say to a vitriolic statement about all independents, except that Republican does not equal Christian, even though I usually vote for Republicans.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

I'm sorry. Maybe I'm too thin skinned for politics. I felt like I was being talked down to. At least I prayed for my opponent when angry, I was going to post this.

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I'll just try to engage in discussion. I'll reply to HeirofSalvation in a little.

I don't want to talk down to you.
I want you to deny the premise of the discussion.....
The premise is that the good people of the United States have a racism problem that they must fix.
(wile
That is a false premise.

They don't.
As a rule, this is the most non-racist and accepting nation in history.
The problem in our nation isn't racism....it's that we have too many moral cowards who are afraid to stand up for this country when it is the most accepting nation on earth.

Don't assume there is a racism problem....there isn't....and if there is...
Frankly, it isn't on the part of white people.

It is the religion of the "white people" which preaches that all humans are a special creation of God, made in his image. That's what we teach. It is an idea which (while it took some time to perfectly execute it, granted) is foundational to the founding of this nation and it's worldview and system of law.

There is simply NO racism issue in this nation...
Not by any objective comparison to anywhere else in the world or any time in history.
Deny that premise, it is a lie.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I don't want to talk down to you.
I want you to deny the premise of the discussion.....
The premise is that the good people of the United States have a racism problem that they must fix.
(wile
That is a false premise.

They don't.
As a rule, this is the most non-racist and accepting nation in history.
The problem in our nation isn't racism....it's that we have too many moral cowards who are afraid to stand up for this country when it is the most accepting nation on earth.

Don't assume there is a racism problem....there isn't....and if there is...
Frankly, it isn't on the part of white people.

It is the religion of the "white people" which preaches that all humans are a special creation of God, made in his image. That's what we teach. It is an idea which (while it took some time to perfectly execute it, granted) is foundational to the founding of this nation and it's worldview and system of law.

There is simply NO racism issue in this nation...
Not by any objective comparison to anywhere else in the world or any time in history.
Deny that premise, it is a lie.

Thank you, I point you to post #86. I have a friend who lost people in the Oklahoma City Bombing, so saying there is no racism problem sent me to a rage immediately. I look forward to a good discussion. Thank you Brother.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

. Particular posted a good story of growing out of peer pressure to be racist.

Firstly, individual stories, are not a good method of assessing a general issue...
Secondly, I doubt the truth or veracity of Particular's narratives.
Honestly, I doubt his truth-telling.
It would be irrelevant either way.

 

[xlsdraw]

I'm sorry. Maybe I'm too thin skinned for politics. I felt like I was being talked down to. At least I prayed for my opponent when angry, I was going to post this.

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I'll just try to engage in discussion. I'll reply to HeirofSalvation in a little.

You nailed one thing. All the emotion needs to be removed from the conversations.

 

[Particular]

If this is the way you treat the Bible, it's no wonder you speak with hostility. Unbelievers are watching so you might want to reconsider your words.

Yes, I have reported this post and I will continue to do so as long as you keep verbally assaulting others.

Do you disagree with scripture and Paul calling out the racism in Peter?

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Firstly, individual stories, are not a good method of assessing a general issue...
Secondly, I doubt the truth or veracity of Particular's narratives.
Honestly, I doubt his truth-telling.
It would be irrelevant either way.

True in that it is just a story. It hits me hard though, because I went through something similar. Yeah, more than just individual stories are needed.

Still I know many people who live as outcasts. Most of them are white. They are mentally ill, though. Revmitchell posted this story of how much of a problem falling through the cracks is.

Racist Police Violence Reconsidered - Quillette

Now IMO Ahmaud Arbery sounds like racism, but George Floyd sound like messed up tactics, techniques, and procedures for police. Not racism.

Now I live in Orlando and we have a long and terrible history of racism, though thankfully it's harder to see now.

Black public schools in my city at least, are terrible compared to their white and multiracial counterparts. My city even has majority-Latino public schools that were terrible until school choice forced a change. Thank the Lord.

There are many white, black, and Latino neighborhoods in my city that are poor. Poverty is an equal opportunity problem. But to be perfectly honest some of the black neighborhoods are the poorest I have ever seen, absent a developing nation in terms of poverty. At least in Orlando.

Opportunity to succeed is not equal in Orlando between races. This means there is a big problem for minorities in terms of emotional pain and in terms of attaining the American dream.

However, employers and government services are not allowed to be racially motivated, and both jobs and government services are open to all, regardless of race or income. That at least is good.

It doesn't justify the anti-social conservative stuff coming out of the BLM movement. Neither does it demand the use of troubling concepts that are used by the "social gospel" crowd on the Left to pack in things beyond addressing racism in all its forms.

But getting schools and opportunities more equal, combating poverty among all hardworking people, and being an American Evangelical church that disciplines its own over acts and words that are racist are important to strive for.

I read this not long ago, and it struck me how poorly the church involved acted. Of course, a new believer must be taught to let go of sin to follow Jesus Christ

Would you support the baptism of a KKK leader if they had no intention of leaving racism behind?

I hope that helps explain things as I see it. I look forward to a well thought reply.

 

[Particular]

I'm weary of your name calling. The Bible has standards for Christian speech.

James 1:26 New English Translation (English Standard Version (ESV)

26 If someoneanyone thinks he is religious yetand does not bridle his tongue, and so but deceives his heart, histhis person's religion is futile. worthless.

Titus 3:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

1 Peter 3:15 English Standard Version
15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to
make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Ephesians 4:29English Standard Version (ESV)

29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

2 Timothy 2:14English Standard Version (ESV)

14 Remind them of these things, and charge them before God[a] not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.

Please stop. It adds nothing to the conversation and stirs up anger.

I have reported your post. It violates the TOS.

If the BB administration supports racism on its site, they will listen to your report. If they condemn racism, they will recognize I am calling Christians to repent of the racism they hold in their hearts.

 

[Particular]

That makes sense. Yes, black lives matter. So do Hispanic lives. And Asian lives. Even white lives matter.

And all need assistance. White people being killed unjustly by police are no less in need than black people in the same situation. And more than not it is a white dude getting shot by the police.

It was a white guy with his hands up that was the object of 18 rounds fired by two black officers (killing the guys 6 year old son).

It was a white guy that called for help and was suffocated by being restrained, handcuffed and face in the dirt for 14 minutes while he cried out they were killing him.

The drunk guy in the video crawling to the police as directed, begging them not to shoot, was unarmed but killed anyway.

Out of the 86 deaths of kids with toy guns shot by police 50 were white.

Why exclude these guys?

Do they matter less because they are/ were white? Where is the outcry for those people who are/ were image bearers?

I do not deny that there is racism and this needs to be addressed. But we cannot combat racism with racism. That is wrong.

I don't exclude them. Provide the documentation so we can condemn the wickedness.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

You nailed one thing. All the emotion needs to be removed from the conversations.

I agree. The problem is this is like asking for a thoughtful and less emotional discussion on abortion. I think the BB may need to give the posters a day of rest. We are spiraling out of control in emotion in a number of threads. On other forums it leads to an exodus.

 

[xlsdraw]

Do you disagree with scripture and Paul calling out the racism in Peter?

Nope. But your not Paul and I for sure, and likely none of the other members, are guilty of what Peter did. You assume a lot.

 

[Katarina Von Bora]

Racism is a system. Example: Aparteid in South Africa. Even though the regime was cast down, the system is still there.
Even though Jim Crow was cast down, the system still remains.
Our system still functions to handicap and disadvantage people, especially people of color. Some fight through that disadvantage and become financially and professionally successful, despite the system, but they still have to endure the racism despite their social success.
So point out those who fought and made money in the system, but realize the system is still functioning to give an unfair advantage to white skinned Americans.

That is simply your opinion. Do you really not know about affirmative action in jobs and schools?

Affirmative action - Wikipedia

Unless you can prove your accusations (with real evidence), the thought in my mind is a Bible verse about a
clanging cymbal.

1 Corinthians 13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

Name calling profits no one. You might want to reconsider your approach.

 

[rsr]

There is simply NO racism issue in this nation...
Not by any objective comparison to anywhere else in the world or any time in history.
Deny that premise, it is a lie.

That may be the most inane thing I've seen posted here, and I've seen a lot of silliness.

 

[Reynolds]

Why?
Not really.
There is practically no meaningfull racism on the part of white believers, or non-believers at this point....
what "racism" is this that you speak of????
The five people on storm-front??
The 25 total folks who are still members of the KKK?
White racism isn't a real thing in this country, as soon as you people get that, everything will be fine.
Whites have neither the time, energy, nor inclination to care about melatonin count in inhabitants of this country.
We're just trying to not get imprisoned for insufficiently paying our taxes, while simultaneously almost sole-handedly populating the U.S. Marine Corps.

What "wrongdoing"?
The alleged wrongdoing of a few cops somewhere in Minnessotta?
The cops who have already been fired, charged with crimes and officially investigated?
What do you want? a lynching without due-process??
The allegedly guilty party has already been arrested and charged.
He will face a prosecution in court.
Why don't you walk away with that and do something meaningful?


In a country of well over 350 million people....there's a few racists.
Not many....a negligible amount.
This country is the most accepting, non-racist, and fair-minded nation in the HISTORY of planet Earth.
It's not "perfect"....
But, have you ever gone to Japan?
Have you been a white person in a Japanese company head-quarters and seen an opulently made stairwell which has a sign reading: "for 'Japanese' only....all non-Japanese take the other stairs"?
No, you haven't, because you have no idea how insanely racist the rest of planet Earth is, and cannot appreciate how true it is that the United States of America is comparatively, the most accepting and non-racist Nation in the entire history of the world....


Independents are the people who know and believe absolutely nothing...and can't figure out the fundamental difference between right and wrong.

There is an awful lot of inconvenient truth in your post.

 

[JonC]

I don't exclude them. Provide the documentation so we can condemn the wickedness.

This is a short cut (I verified the accounts but they are documented here as well). There is one very close to Mr. Floyd.

The issue exceeds one single race.