Scripture the Greatest Gift to Mankind,pt.2

[Reynolds]

The other thread was closed due to length, but we were just really beginning to get to a scriptural examination of the topic. Many held different ideas but did not really address the issue it seemed. What issue?

Many suggested other answers as to what they believed was the greatest gift to all of humanity.
Several tried to change the topic to who or what is superior, the scriptures or Jesus.
That was not the topic of the thread however, neither is it the topic of this thread.

What took place? We will examine some of the suggestions and why they did not answer the questions that followed.

Several suggested Jesus which would at first glance seemed an obvious answer. Years ago that was my first response. I was challenged and directed to the correct answer. This thread will continue to search the scriptures as the Bereans did.

Lk.24:
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Sometimes you just dont know when to throw in the towel.

 

[JonC]

It's like @Iconoclast has no idea how this works? I'm being serious. It's like he is totally ignorant to the realities of the Work of the Spirit of God as HE testifies to the inner man of a person the truths of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I agree.

There is a difference between knowledge (even the acceptance of knowledge) and spiritual truth. I think he equates spiritual truth as merely believing Scripture. I do not know this to be true, but that is the impression I get.

 

[InTheLight]

We live in a day when many are not having a proper understanding of what safeguards God has put in place keeping us secure by His word containing all manner of blessings and promises.
...from what I'm seeing by these responses that many really grasp what we have with the word of God written.

And there it is again. We are just not smart enough to understand.

 

[InTheLight]

We have the Word of God Himself--JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Based on the two threads he started about the gift of Scripture, i conclude he does not.

Stop! Take a deep breath.... now do you understand the concept of conflict?

 

[JonC]

If there were no Scripture, how could we know about the Lord Jesus?
If there were no Lord Jesus what would be the point of Scripture?
If there were no Holy Spirit, how could we understand the Scriptures that tell us about the Lord Jesus?
If there were no grace, we could not be saved anyway.

Praise God who has given us such a wonderful, complete salvation!

How did those without Scripture know about Jesus? How did Paul witness to the pagans at the Acropolis?

Scripture, of course, is important. But we have to be careful not to elevate knowledge of God above God Himself.

If there was no Scripture and if the only people ever saved was those who encountered Christ, and those who encountered the prophets in person then God would still be the greatest Gift.

What is being suggested by Iconoclast is philosophy (fundamental knowledge, how can we know), and it is vain philosophy. What does the Bible say is the greatest? Verses have been provided.

 

[Iconoclast]

He knows how it works

Ewf,
1 people cannot answer an interact with the questions that are being asked in the threads this is the result just objections with no intentional purpose just objecting without thinking through the issues that's the way it seems to me so you can read and enjoy read the objections and read the answers and

The gospel brings life and immortality to light, but does not produce life (II Tim.1: 10).

That is done by the HS

And how do you know there is a holy spirit? How do you know there is a gospel?

 

[Yeshua1]

Without scripture we would have no knowledge of God the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit.
We would not know God was sending "His Son" to begin with.
Sending His Son...sending His Son for what reason?
What do we mean that God has a Son?
Why has it become necessary to send the Son.?

Without the gift of scripture we have no knowledge of any of this.
We are have no knowledge of the gospel iitsel.We would not understand anything, about anything.

You are assuming here that God can ONLY reveal this thru the scriptures, but could he have not chosen another way to communicate to us? wait he did, as Hebrews puts it, he spoke to us before, but now his ultimate speaking is in the person Jesus Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

Ewf,
1 people cannot answer an interact with the questions that are being asked in the threads this is the result just objections with no intentional purpose just objecting without thinking through the issues that's the way it seems to me so you can read and enjoy read the objections and read the answers and

And how do you know there is a holy spirit? How do you know there is a gospel?

If No Jesus coming to earth, the Bible is just trash!

 

[Yeshua1]

It's like @Iconoclast has no idea how this works? I'm being serious. It's like he is totally ignorant to the realities of the Work of the Spirit of God as HE testifies to the inner man of a person the truths of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think that he has something in mind here, as he does not literally hold the Bible superior to Jesus Christ in worth!

 

[Iconoclast]

Except for the fact that the Son of God came and revealed Himself and the Father to us. I'm not certain why you do not understand this--but it's evident that there is a disconnect somewhere.

The disconnect is on your end my friend. If a man just showed up without any Scripture and any teaching the Old Testament if a man just showed up and said oh by the way I'm the Son of God and let me tell you about God the father and people didn't know why he was making these claims or what he was purposing to do it would make no sense

 

[Yeshua1]

So you are reading the post but I haven't seen you actually interact with the questions in any of the post. When you do that I'll get back to you

Can a person get saved apart from the Bible?

 

[Iconoclast]

If No Jesus coming to earth, the Bible is just trash!

Who is Jesus? Why did he come to Earth?

 

[Iconoclast]

And from what i'm gathering, we all do not agree that the Scriptures point to Christ being the supreme in all things.

In the same way John points to Christ as the superior, the Scriptures themselves point to Christ being the superior (Think of Jesus' interaction with the Pharisees--"You read the Scriptures and think that in and of themselves you have life, but it's them that point to ME.").

Here is something that will help you (maybe not).

Does the Bible contain the truth about gravity and it's complexity and formula etc. No it does not.

BUT, In Christ--the truth of Gravity exists.

Christ holds all truth, alone.

And once again--You are causing people to pit Scripture against Christ, as evident in your post. I say repent.

Notice in both Threads the OP never mentioned Superior who is superior what is superior that is not the issue being discussed some who have tried to derail the thread raise that issue but that's not the issue under discussion

 

[Yeshua1]

Who is Jesus? Why did he come to Earth?

No bible, would his death still count to save us from our sins?

 

[Iconoclast]

We have the Word of God Himself--JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!

How do you have him?
Based on what?
SCRIPTURE

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If there were no Scripture, how could we know about the Lord Jesus?
If there were no Lord Jesus what would be the point of Scripture?
If there were no Holy Spirit, how could we understand the Scriptures that tell us about the Lord Jesus?
If there were no grace, we could not be saved anyway.

Praise God who has given us such a wonderful, complete salvation!

Before I was saved I was a lapsed Catholic who read the family bible, and heard the gospel presented each week at catechism classes and in church readings. It never connected... I was not a believer, though I thought I was. Not until I heard the Method of Grace sermon by George Whitfield and that I will claim brought me out of my false belief that I was a Christian. That my dear brethren was the greatest gift and it was of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Iconoclast]

Sometimes you just dont know when to throw in the towel.

I never throw in the towel when I'm right. You have not really answered any of the questions that are being asked so you might not be the best judge of who needs to throw in the towel

 

[Iconoclast]

And there it is again. We are just not smart enough to understand.

Well keep reading and maybe you'll learn enough to be able to understand

 

[Iconoclast]

Can a person get saved apart from the Bible?

Your tweets are not going to be answered unless you interact and answer some of the questions that you've been asked to just keep tweeting
you start a separate thread tweets that you want to you know tweezing by Y1 whatever you want to call it